Can we sell or transfer a Mulab or Mux user key ?

[Michael L]

a "complete" product

I don't find any product to be complete. Art creatively uses limitations. Thus, I agree with your signature, "Finding satisfaction with what you have is hard for a creative person, but is exceptionally rewarding when you discover how."

[Zexila]

a "complete" product

I don't find any product to be complete. Art creatively uses limitations. Thus, I agree with your signature, "Finding satisfaction with what you have is hard for a creative person, but is exceptionally rewarding when you discover how."

That's why I said "complete", it's never complete, but it's satisfying enough, I don't need old (or ones I never had) limitations in 2016 suddenly, would actually appreciate something new too, jump from one horse to another horse, not from horse to mule.

I'm not probably alone there, plenty of people do now use pretty great DAW and don't want to step back when they switch from it, but step up if it's possible, if not, just get into something little different, but still capable of delivering.

Just my worthless opinion anyways, I'm here anyways and will keep my eye on features that will grant me good jump, try to encourage Jo to push some of the FR higher on the list into done thing and myself officially as a user

[pljones]

I can't get my money worth from it in his current state.

Isn't this a normal consideration for buying anything? Unlike a t-shirt or washing machine, of course, with MuLab, you can try before you buy, so you're in a no lose situation.

[sl23]

There's also the fact that a key can be copied and pasted where a car cannot... I'm just saying.

EDIT: To clarify my meaning: It's too easy to "steal" a key by giving it away but keeping a copy for yourself, essentially doubling the product. You can't double a car, but you can double ASCII, thus it's cost effective to just say no to sharing.

Thank for your rational argument. But it is still not a valid reason for not being allowed to sell your key. This key copying goes on regardless of the situation or license terms as they call them. Look on torrent sites to see that.

Also, this isn't about sharing a key, but selling your right to it. If you wanted in sure you could find a buyer for your key, it's not difficult. Then you could keep your key and get money bk. Pointless exercise though. Once Jo finds out, and he more than likely will, that key will be banned, then it's no more updates for you!

Mulab is far from perfect, I only need a few things added to make it better for my measly purposes, it's highly likely they'll never happen. Pisses me off, but get on with it. Years ago I downloaded a cracked portable reason, but you know what? I've used it once and didn't get on with it. Am I wrong for doing that, well yes and no. The yes is obvious, the no is simply that I would never pay out that sort of money for software so they'd never get my sales anyway. Morally it's wrong but morals are subjective which many forget.

Your morals differ from mine and everyone else's. We may have some things in common, but still they differ.

Would I have used a cracked mulab? No is my honest answer. Why? Respect, not morals. Jo deserves the respect of my purchase.

Does that mean I do not respect propellerhead? It does not. But I disrespect the price. I disrespect the system we live under. It has kept me poor my whole life because I lacked the opportunities others have placed in their laps. Am I bitter and twisted? No. Cool calm and collected.

And when people create these stupid self centred rules it makes me more determined to fight back against the silent oppression we live under.

Peace to you all

[sl23]

I can't get my money worth from it in his current state.

Isn't this a normal consideration for buying anything? Unlike a t-shirt or washing machine, of course, with MuLab, you can try before you buy, so you're in a no lose situation.

That's the best thing stated yet! But still, I stick by my argument.

[murnau]

A warez torrent and blocked key expert we have here.

You crybabies wanna have some candy? Now seriously if we can talk like adults:

You agreed how Jo handles transfers the moment as you bought from him as he was always transparent about it so capturing this thread with non valid and stupid arguments is very low. End of Story.

[whyterabbyt]

I appreciate your comments and expected the typical attitudes from folk who really can't see the slavery of our system. Hard to make the colours out when you wear rose tinted glasses.

I appreciate your comments and expected the typical attitudes from folk who dont have the slightest idea what real slavery actually is, yet see fit to make a comparison between being in a situation with zero rights or freedom whatsoever and one where, after making their own choices in a very broad marketplace, they are unable to make a few bucks back on the resale of one of their privileged-first-world luxury toys. Hard to make out the cold hard facts of reality when you're so egregiously self-entitled.

Take a look at the new korg electribe. Shit OS with loads of potential. But free updates as do many hardware synths these days.

You're pretending a handful of exceptions changes what I said about concrete goods? Nope. After all there are plenty of exceptions to the thing you're complaining about, and yet you witter on regardless anyway.

Are they a service too? No. You delude yourself with this 'service' attitude.

Wonderful strawman. Pity you dont have a f**king clue what my attitude is, isnt it?

Mulab like every other software is a product. A service is something that is done FOR you. Mulab doesn't make music FOR you. You make the music by the use of a product.

Nice that you're privileged enough to have the time to play about pretending you make music. Someone in slavery wouldn't really have that luxury. Or the toys.

Not to mention that every product has a guarantee for a minimum of one year, so if there are any faults, they must be fixed by so called law.

Yeah, and the entitlement is based on things like 'free from minor defects', not 'couldnt resell it'. Note that's not 'free from defects', so good luck with a refund on that buggy electribe, since you're trying to use that as an example.

It really is so sad to see so many people that still don't get it.
Just because people make their own rules, doesn't make them right.

It really is so sad to see so many people that dont get it.
Just because you're taking part in a completely open market that encompasses everything from open source software to pay-forever subscription models doesnt mean that your pretty-much-f**king-opposite- of-slavery right right to choose to engage with whatever business terms you yourself want to, doesnt mean you get to be the arbiter as to what business terms people get to offer you.

[whyterabbyt]

Just because a products price is low, it does not justify a selfish attitude. Business by it's very nature is selfish, but because we are too accustomed, or rather, conditioned to accept it's wily nature, it's often excused for this attitude. Why can't people see how utterly wrong that is? We are conditioned to accept that it's ok because money is involved. Money has become our god and has made slaves of us all. Crazy? No, just wisdom. Think for yourself.

Oh, I do. I just happen to not think the same as you. For example, I dont think there's anything in your hysterical little cluster of admonishments and unsupported assertions that's anything other than rhetoric, and it justifies little of any worth other way, except to underline your sense of selfish self-entitlement.

"Just because a product cannot be resold it does not justify a selfish attitude. Resale by it's very nature is selfish, but because we are too accustomed, or rather, conditioned to accept it's wily nature, it's often excused for this attitude. Why can't people see how utterly wrong that is? We are conditioned to accept that it's ok because money is involved. Money has become our god and has made slaves of us all. Crazy? No, just wisdom. Think for yourself."

I think its pretty damned ironic that you're talking about 'money has become our god' in a thread where you're arguing in favour of being able to sell something.

[MuTools]

try to encourage Jo to push some of the FR higher on the list into done thing and myself officially as a user

Mulab is far from perfect, I only need a few things added to make it better for my measly purposes, it's highly likely they'll never happen. Pisses me off, but get on with it.

I regularly do a poll so to get a feeling of which feature requests users want most. And i seriously take such poll results into account. Currently working on one of such main feature requests.

[MuTools]

Thank for your rational argument. But it is still not a valid reason for not being allowed to sell your key.

Again, the arguments are listed here: http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/common ... swers.html
Selling your personal user key will never be possible because it is personal, it contains your user name.
(Re)Making a new user key is a service which has a price listed here.

[MuTools]

I disrespect the system we live under. It has kept me poor my whole life because I lacked the opportunities others have placed in their laps. Am I bitter and twisted? No. Cool calm and collected.
And when people create these stupid self centred rules it makes me more determined to fight back against the silent oppression we live under.

I understand your criticism on the system we live under (which is for a great part a consequence of the human dna, imho, but that's another topic) but simply projecting that on the reasons why i don't allow selling user keys is too simple, and yes i feel bitterness in your projected criticism on my choice there. Understandable. But pls cool it.

[Zexila]

I can't get my money worth from it in his current state.

Isn't this a normal consideration for buying anything? Unlike a t-shirt or washing machine, of course, with MuLab, you can try before you buy, so you're in a no lose situation.

For sure, if this was FL with one buy and lifetime updates, I would go for it and hope for the best, at least I'm not paying anymore, but here I will wait a little until it's "there" and than only update when there's something worth updating for.

There's even possibility to go for pricier, but matured DAW and get over with it, last time I did that it was total score and I'm still having hard time finding better one than that, but it's time to move on from Apple land, so here we are.

I regularly do a poll so to get a feeling of which feature requests users want most. And i seriously take such poll results into account. Currently working on one of such main feature requests.

Hope it's audio time stretching&warping, that's highest one on my FR list, I maybe have few more, nothing big, but enough to go for it and never look back.

[runaudio]

audio time stretching&warping, that was one of the most requested and still not here dont count on it you will be waiting this time next year and still wont have it

[Zexila]

audio time stretching&warping, that was one of the most requested and still not here dont count on it you will be waiting this time next year and still wont have it

[runaudio]

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