It was bound to happen: an 80s instrument

[AnX]

This thread was never started about legal issues....

...and yet your first post was

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 0#p6615780

[Numanoid]

This thread was never started about legal issues....

...and yet your first post was

Thanks for taking the time for writing my chronicles

But my first post about KZ was made before this thread was even started

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=262151&start=9082

Let me quote myself what I wrote there:

What is it?: A Virtual Instrument rompler inspired from 80s Soundtrack for Films and TV series, as well as Pop Music. Features sounds that you have heard countless times from that era and always wanted but couldn’t find! Here they are, sampled from original 80s Synths and samplers using high outboard gear for maximum fidelity.

[ghettosynth]

Yes, I got that, but, there's no issue with sampling those all day long. So there is no legal issue AT ALL! That's why they're not being included in any conversation about legal issues.

Starting to wonder if you are CompyFox in disguise?

This thread was never started about legal issues, but to talk about a new product called KZ

If you want to ride the legal issues, why not just alert Big Eric or Roland

I'm not CompyFox. That out of the way, threads about products that sample classic romplers will ALWAYS devolve into a discussion of legal issues, ALWAYS! In virtually ALL cases, the devs involved have not obtained permission to sample those instruments and many wish that they could, so there's always a lot of interest in that topic as well as a lot of confusion and misunderstanding.

Other than that, there's really not much interest in weak static sample libraries. So, the only reason that this thread is getting any attention at all is BECAUSE of the legal issues. If we weren't discussing them, this thread would have four replies and would be buried on page 10.

[Examigan]

Roland/Persing are missing a huge opportunity in my opinion. If they released an accurate VSTi/AU/AAX version of the D-50 I'm of the opinion it would sell like hotcakes. I would buy a VSTi version in a heartbeat and it just might....might...be the one instrument that I would buy a Dongle to use (of course I'd prefer no dongle/iLok).

The D-50 is one of the synths from that era that I've always wanted but never owned.......

+1 on both of your comments, and hey, I have a dongle already (for PPG Wave 3.V) so that's no problem for me.

[brainzistor]

Roland/Persing are missing a huge opportunity in my opinion. If they released an accurate VSTi/AU/AAX version of the D-50 I'm of the opinion it would sell like hotcakes. I would buy a VSTi version in a heartbeat and it just might....might...be the one instrument that I would buy a Dongle to use (of course I'd prefer no dongle/iLok).

The D-50 is one of the synths from that era that I've always wanted but never owned.......

All those Japanese manufacturers missed the opportunity. Actually, they missed the whole point and went into a full conservative retard mode. Yamaha, Korg, Roland, Casio.
Instead of them accepting new technologies and leading the way, they thought "If we start making VSTi's, we will not sell hardware", but VSTi and hardware synths are 2 different markets.
Instead all of them releasing official emulations of their synths we have even hobbyists making decent emulations of their synths...and in most cases releasing them as freeware. It's embarrassing.

So, when Roland sues someone for sampling their synth it's like shitting into the river and then running with a stick and trying to keep your shit together from dismantling in the water because you are suing people for something you are not even producing anymore. You are fighting the lost battle and living in a parallel universe where you are still relevant while 99,99% of all nowadays electronic music is made by VSTi's.

[Teksonik]

Korg has VSTi versions of their M1, Wavestation, MS20, Polysix etc so at least they tried.

[planetearth]

Re: sampling the D-50, I don't know if this has been discussed already in some other thread, but Roland has released their own sampled version of the D-50 (or that what it looks like based on the blurb), still in beta but available for subscription in the US:

Hmm, that's interesting, thanks for the headsup...

Also interesting is that they don't actually refer to the "D-50" at all in the blurb, they speak of it like it was made by another company, they just refer to it like "the iconic instrument from 1987". The do not mention "D-50" even once. Curious...

Not to derail this thread further, but does anyone know just what it is Roland's offering here? As we've seen, they refer to it as "1987"--which is about as vague as you can get for a company that should--if anyone can--be able to use the term D-50.

And for those of us who've wanted a VSTi of the D-50, Roland may not have any legal ownership of any part of that synth, for all we know. If they did, why would they refer to this...whatever it is as "1987" and bury it in some sort of "subscription" services that none of us even knew they offered?

Does anyone even know what this thing is or how much it costs?

Steve

[ras.s]

I found out about it because it was mentioned in a mailing list e-mail that I got from someone who apparently works for the company that's the other half of Roland Cloud. I signed up to it out of curiosity and found out that it's only available as a subscription. "Early beta" is the only one available, a whopping 19.95$ a month (two others are Cloud Subscription and Storm Subscription, 30 and 40 bucks). I'm not interested in subscriptions, but even if I would be, it's only available in the US.

There's a screenshot on the page there with "Fantasia" as the patch name, so, I reckoned it's the D-50. Which other Roland synth that was released in '87 is highly sought after as a software implementation?



In any case, it's a bit early right now. But interesting to see if Roland further expands to the plugin market.

[beely]

It does mention "Linear Arithmetic Synthesis" so it's *clearly* referring to the D-50, just not by name, which I thought was weird.

It seems to be a sampled instrument, made by the Canadian company, not by Roland, in a partnership between them, and is official enough that they are allowed to use the Roland logo on the instrument. But it is only a sampled instrument, not a synth.

If I were to *guess*, I'd say that the avoidance of any mention of the "D-50" name, and the lack of any D-50 logo, branding, and trade dress is very intentional and suggests to me that Roland very specifically didn't want people to think this was a virtual D-50, either to avoid confusing the marketplace, *or* because they have plans to actually do a virtual D-50 plugin or plugout.

What other reasons could there be? Roland do own the rights to the D-50, and they've released various incarnations of it over the years, including the V-Synth card.

But of course that's only a guess, fwiw...

[ghettosynth]

Re: sampling the D-50, I don't know if this has been discussed already in some other thread, but Roland has released their own sampled version of the D-50 (or that what it looks like based on the blurb), still in beta but available for subscription in the US:

https://www.rolandcloud.com/
https://www.rolandcloud.com/instruments ... ology-1987

Thanks. Roland is so weird. They're so protective of their IP and old-school. I think that conceptually they just hate the idea of selling anyone software that might contain their IP because that just makes it easy to steal.

But their bean counters are probably dripping saliva over all of those tasty profits to be had in the software subscription market. I want to see this unfold just to see what happens. At this point though, they really don't have anything, it seems a bit premature to think that they could make a subscription model work. Then again, I see some of you guys frothing at the mouth over a virtual D-50 and it makes me think that maybe they will pull it off.

Betting money that Anthology 1991 (JD-800 for the noobs) is coming up soon, maybe next even, and we should expect to see some big marketing ballyhoo from them at some point.

On Edit: Also, it seems interesting that there's only ADSR for the filter. The complex envelopes were one of the things that the D-50 had going for it the makes it somewhat interesting. It seems like it's something like a Maize sampler type of instrument. We just need to get one of you Roland loving suckers to subscribe so you can tell us about the actual install, LOL!

[Teksonik]

I will never participate in a subscription model so Roland can count me out. I'd buy a used D-50 or D-550 first....

[AnX]

This thread was never started about legal issues....

...and yet your first post was

Thanks for taking the time for writing my chronicles

But my first post about KZ was made before this thread.....

[Compyfox]

Yes, I got that, but, there's no issue with sampling those all day long. So there is no legal issue AT ALL! That's why they're not being included in any conversation about legal issues.

Starting to wonder if you are CompyFox in disguise?

Oi mate!
What's that supposed to mean...


I am a devil's advocate in favor for/of various things... but I can't be everywhere.

[ghettosynth]

Yes, I got that, but, there's no issue with sampling those all day long. So there is no legal issue AT ALL! That's why they're not being included in any conversation about legal issues.

Starting to wonder if you are CompyFox in disguise?

Oi mate!
What's that supposed to mean...


I am a devil's advocate in favor for/of various things... but I can't be everywhere.

I'm pretty sure that it means that he has a bit of a crush on the both of us. He must have seen some pictures of our "gear" or something.

[Numanoid]

Of course