Hans Zimmer online class.

[elxsound]

You are not even hearing 1% of the whole of instruction, but yet you have definitive view points on the subject.

And here is the cognitive dissonance, which you appear to share with Herr Zimmer.
IE: He's in this lavish room (his own) with the absolute best gear money can buy and this is the schtick. No, that don't work. It pains me to have to explain that. Also, do you feel that creativity can be taught? There's the con.

Yes, creativity can be taught. I wasn't born knowing music theory or how chords fit together. I learned it, and it opened up a world of ideas. You can teach people techniques they can put together and be creative with. Teach somebody how to properly structure and craft an arrangement based on the things film producers are looking for, and they can surely build on that and be creative. Both talent and creativity can be taught, and learned.

It doesn't matter if he is in his nice studio. That is irrelevant.

'information' ≠ 'creativity'. nor does knowledge even amount to creativity. You can teach all of the above all day long and forever and the creativity comes from within or it doesn't. So, if the course is all of that (such as you would get at say Berklee over several yrs), 90 bucks is a hell of a bargain, isn't it. The trailer and promo materials did something else, tho' and we'll take the course's value rather on faith (or not).

Hey, maybe it's just me that found talking about making music on an iPad in that setting funny. To me, the contradiction is obvious.

[kevvvvv]

The HZ concert in Nimes is £80 a ticket to sit on hard stone roman arena-like seats

Methinks it'll be cheaper to book a comfier seat at a restaurant table in the plaza just outside the arena and hear it all while sipping the local vintage

We did that last year for the Sting concert, which was v nice, and still managed to slip in for the last 10 minutes to get a clip of phone footage, and a facebook post for our trouble

The HZ course still looks interesting though. I always find him inspiring to listen to.

[jancivil]

You are not even hearing 1% of the whole of instruction, but yet you have definitive view points on the subject.

I don't. I have a 'definitive' view of what I saw and of what Brent and "topaz" wrote. So apparently you have a point to make about my 'view points' which I never stated - what's up with that? Is Zimmer a sacred cow to you too? Like John Lennon as one guy said? He's a divisive figure somehow I suppose.

I have only my own guess as to the 'whole of instruction'. I would absolutely need more than the name of Hans Zimmer and a goofy video on youtube to have faith in it. I recommend Berklee (online).

HZ does incredibly well I think on his own devices; I've seen him explain how he created one song (a song, not a cue) which I find quite beautiful but I would not recommend his modi operandi at_all, because he is so unschooled. These are my views, take it or leave it.

[elxsound]

You are not even hearing 1% of the whole of instruction, but yet you have definitive view points on the subject.

I don't. I have a 'definitive' view of what I saw and of what Brent and "topaz" wrote. So apparently you have a point to make about my 'view points' which I never stated - what's up with that? Is Zimmer a sacred cow to you too? Like John Lennon as one guy said? He's a divisive figure somehow I suppose.

I have only my own guess as to the 'whole of instruction'. I would absolutely need more than the name of Hans Zimmer and a goofy video on youtube to have faith in it. I recommend Berklee (online).

HZ does incredibly well I think on his own devices; I've seen him explain how he created one song (a song, not a cue) which I find quite beautiful but I would not recommend his modi operandi at_all, because he is so unschooled. These are my views, take it or leave it.

Merely pointing out you seem to have axe to grind at the subject of Hans Zimmer, and much less what is offered in the course. Each of your posts scream of bias while claiming everyone else that criticizes your assumptions and responses must think of Hans Zimmer as a sacred cow.

You would have to be the only one who thinks a $90 course consisting of 4-5 hours of video content is some how equivalent to instruction at Berklee. Only you have claimed as much.

Everyone is entitled to their views. Its just unfortunate you are arguing based on wild assumptions. So sure, we can take those wild assumptions and leave them as what they are.

[Michael L]

I searched for "masterclass online review" and found reviews of several previous Masterclasses. They have a similar structure: focus on the "important" principles (vs. learning technical details), and closely study examples chosen by the Master.
The reviewers said the principles were not new, but what was most valuable were the worked-through examples and that the Master helped clarify what is "important."
It was clear that you must choose a Master you want to emulate in some way.
FYI, one course had 3,000 people just in the Facebook group, so the reviewer had no comments on their posted work.

[Robmobius]

I would not recommend his modi operandi at_all, because he is so unschooled. These are my views, take it or leave it.

Hmmm... Think I'll leave it, thanks.

[thomekk]

Didn't he invite the "Epic"-Genre?
So this is a promise for the master class participants I guess to get into this.

What I really liked (and surprised me as I'm not a fan of the epic stuff)

[jancivil]

You are not even hearing 1% of the whole of instruction, but yet you have definitive view points on the subject.

I don't. I have a 'definitive' view of what I saw and of what Brent and "topaz" wrote. So apparently you have a point to make about my 'view points' which I never stated - what's up with that? Is Zimmer a sacred cow to you too? Like John Lennon as one guy said? He's a divisive figure somehow I suppose.

I have only my own guess as to the 'whole of instruction'. I would absolutely need more than the name of Hans Zimmer and a goofy video on youtube to have faith in it. I recommend Berklee (online).

HZ does incredibly well I think on his own devices; I've seen him explain how he created one song (a song, not a cue) which I find quite beautiful but I would not recommend his modi operandi at_all, because he is so unschooled. These are my views, take it or leave it.

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Merely pointing out you seem to have axe to grind at the subject of Hans Zimmer,

Exactly like I said already, you have a viewpoint on things that I have not said and a strong attitude towards a view I don't actually hold. And it is as though you can't be arsed to read the things I did write, right there in quotes I already set you straight. I think he's really good at his job. I find the video promo for this product goofy, which means for one thing I got a kick out of it.
But I do not have faith in his tutelage, based in a particular other video some yrs back where he was interviewed about a song; his M.O. for this is interesting in that he arrives at what you would think was someone very polished in terms of training and he's anything but. It's a naive approach we saw. Which makes him kind of a genius.

For the record, I know of these things from Hans Zimmer: there's a video in promotion of the Batman flick, the one with the processed cello kind of leitmotif for The Joker, focusing on that part of it for one; Man of Steel; some heavy low brass that figures somewhere in Inception, a film I bailed on; and this song. All of the music I thought was high-quality. This does not translate to me thinking he's going to make his own genius infectious to a student. I think someone knows the market and this fills a niche nicely and 90 bucks is not expected to be too dear for that market. If it isn't, why not take a chance on it, don't mind me. I still would recommend something I know to be cogent and well-considered through and through, Berklee online.

For you, I would recommend being a LOT more intellectually honest during discourse with people. "Merely pointing out blahblahblah" the second time like that amounts to lying as far as I'm concerned. That shit is so defensive one would suppose H. Zimmer is really 'hands-off' and precious for you, not everybody feels that way. I may have lucked out and heard only his best. I don't go to movies these days, and I definitely don't look to experience movies with the music foremost in my mind.

[elxsound]

You almost managed to hold an actual conversation.

Almost.

[jancivil]

You almost managed to hold an actual conversation.

Almost.

Hmmm, I think I hear the sound of an axe grinding. Figures. I feel like I conveyed my thoughts on it, if you think I owe you more, well...

Carry on.

BTW and Note Well, my remarks you believe to be directly comparing a course to a masterclass had a context which was Brent's projection of what this will entail, which seemed lavish to me at the time. I have read several reviews of extant MasterClasses and they actually seem to compare with what Brent predicts. So I can repudiate myself somewhat there.

No, I've just seen Hans Zimmer talk several times now and I wouldn't want lessons from him. He could be just as organized as James Patterson is with his and that would be impressive (and a bargain for 90 bucks).

[jancivil]

Let's compare my actual "arguing" and your story about it:

I have only my own guess as to the 'whole of instruction'. I would absolutely need more than the name of Hans Zimmer and a goofy video on youtube to have faith in it. I recommend Berklee (online).

Its just unfortunate you are arguing based on wild assumptions.

The Berklee reference is too glib and assumes too much of the reader's interest in what I'd written up to then, so I repudiate that move. It's fair to see apples vs oranges with that bit.

The presentation struck me as geared towards a certain crowd I'm too familiar with and that's dissonant to me with Master Class. I had an allergic reaction. Albeit tempered with more info on MasterClass.com, I would likely still laugh at the promo video.

[Michael L]

To compare apples and oranges, this is the Berklee online course in Film Scoring 101, also starting in January:
https://online.berklee.edu/courses/film ... #!overview

[jancivil]

To be fair, a lot of movie soundtrack is kind of filler for the action, and not that inspiring on its own.

I didn't mean 'most of the music in Man of Steel is exactly what you'd expect' as even a criticism. I notice music in a film because it's really bad, I mean it has signaled itself to me as terrible music one way or another, or because it's unusual in a good way.

Zimmer must have an awfully good ear, as he isn't schooled. That score is worlds better than a lot of what passes for film scoring today IME.

I should say, in regards to the other MasterClass products, they are geared towards people who are on the verge of a professional career, or for pros who want a 'next step' to selling a whole lot more material. I have a hard time placing this 'Just be creative' in with what I saw elsewhere. James Patterson has not created a mini-course for newbies, for instance.


My posts are me entertaining myself from the Board and Care facility, I'm not actually giving you advice like I'm y'all's keeper or like this is serious business.

[jancivil]

You almost managed to hold an actual conversation.

Almost.

Did you know that a *conversation* has to be a two-way street? IE: I can't hold one by myself (well, except when I'm of two minds about a thing).

slow clap indeed, amigo

[Stanoli]

My favourite Hans Zimmer moment is when the endtitles of Men of Steel kick in (from around 00:40 be sure to turn up the volume):



The first time I saw the movie that moment my jaw dropped and I got goosebumps (still do, while I am writing this, I am listenting to it for the 3rd time).

This in my opinion is what he does best: buildup, then orchestra on steroids, pure power and the eagle flies.

I also like his film-behind-the-scenes documentaries: He`s an entertaining character, may`be I will join the course...