KVR Audio

CrystalWizard · Post by **CrystalWizard** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 10:30 pm

even just a GUI update would be welcome But some new PM technology would rock my socks. Tassman still sounds awesome in comparison even after this much time.

Ed A. · Post by **Ed A.** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:26 am

I spoke to someone at AAS about Tassman 5 a couple weeks ago, and he said expect 2016 some time.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:39 am

Hopefully they will allow playing a patch in the builder without the need to switch back and forth while creating an instrument.

crystalmsc · Post by **crystalmsc** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:17 am

Ed A. wrote:I spoke to someone at AAS about Tassman 5 a couple weeks ago, and he said expect 2016 some time.

Sounds great, I would like this to be included in the next version of Ableton Suite.

exiannyc · Post by **exiannyc** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:35 pm

A lot of big advances in physical modeling were made at CCRMA, at Stanford University, about 20 years ago. I am not sure how many have happened since.

This amazing (free!) course over at Kadenze https://www.kadenze.com/courses/physics ... stems/info is taught by Perry Cook and Julius Smith, two of the leading developers of PM technology - but the (also free!) models, which are included in the computer language ChucK (also free! and there's a Kadenze course on that too!) were developed back then, and are still being taught now. They are wonderful. They are great.

But I'm not sure how many leaps and bounds beyond that point have happened in the field of PM since then. Similarly, the STR-1 model included in the Korg Kronos system doesn't seem to have changed since the days of OASYS, which is more than 10 years old. (But at least everything in that model can be modulated!)

So, I am wondering if the nice people at AAS are not quite sure that they can provide enough improvements or enhancements to make a new version of Tassman seem legitimate. I wonder if that might be part of the reason for the delay. HOWEVER, there are plenty of great things they could do...

- improve the GUI
- improve the workflow (less clumsy; can view both the Builder and the Player as in Reaktor - or better yet, just have a single view, as in the Nord Modular)
- show what each input and output does without having to hover your mouse
- let you NAME a sub patch so that the builder diagram doesn't just show you a sub patch that's called "sub patch" - or 5 sub patches, each of which is simply and infuriatingly called "sub patch"
- add some new models of excitators, resonators, and resonating bodies (as in Chromaphone 2)
- add MODULATION FOR ALL PARAMETERS. I am delighted and impressed by AAS' products - and I am continually saddened by the fact that they don't let you modulate half the knobs on the screen. What if I WANT to continually change the material my resonator is made out of? Isn't that the fun of physical modeling? C'mon, guys. I know I could do this with an add-on VST like Cableguys Midishaper, but I should be able to do it within the product itself. (I realize that many people may not want to color outside the lines in this way. Having two GUI views, a "concert version" for more conventional modulations, and a "mad scientist" version where everything imaginable can be modulated, might make both groups of people happy.)
- add some kind of granular excitation engine - see Kaivo (a glorious achievement) for ideas
- add enhanced modal synthesis modules, (see Prism for Reaktor, which is a wonderful beautiful top of the line realization of that approach) (but it's so tightly built and complex it doesn't really lend itself to being extended or modified or reimagined) (at least for someone of my limited Reaktor expertise).

There now. I bet with that list of upgrades, plus your ideas, we'd eagerly welcome Tassman 5. I sure would.

What other ideas would you like to see on the list? Would this be enough to make you pull out your wallet for version 5?

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:15 am

Ed A. wrote:I spoke to someone at AAS about Tassman 5 a couple weeks ago, and he said expect 2016 some time.

clock is ticking.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:23 am

exiannyc wrote:This amazing (free!) course over at Kadenze

Thank you exiannyc for sharing that rare opportunity. I enrolled.

crystalmsc · Post by **crystalmsc** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:27 pm

Richard Devine is going to show something new with AAS at NAMM, let's see!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:35 pm

crystalmsc wrote:Richard Devine is going to show something new with AAS at NAMM, let's see!

let me guess; Lounge Lizard 5 with a new GUI and one new effect.

CinningBao · Post by **CinningBao** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:05 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
crystalmsc wrote:Richard Devine is going to show something new with AAS at NAMM, let's see!
let me guess; Lounge Lizard 5 with a new GUI and one new effect.

Come now, let's not jinx it

paulbreeze · Post by **paulbreeze** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:32 pm

That would be Thiago Pinheiro than. Richard is more something modular...

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:52 pm

paulbreeze wrote:That would be Thiago Pinheiro than. Richard is more something modular...

Oh I thought he was just demoing the world's strongest eyeglass prescription.

justin3am · Post by **justin3am** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:00 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
crystalmsc wrote:Richard Devine is going to show something new with AAS at NAMM, let's see!
let me guess; Lounge Lizard 5 with a new GUI and one new effect.

...but knowing Richard, he will still make it sound like a crazy algorithmicly sequenced granular machine.

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:14 am

justin3am wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
crystalmsc wrote:Richard Devine is going to show something new with AAS at NAMM, let's see!
let me guess; Lounge Lizard 5 with a new GUI and one new effect.
...but knowing Richard, he will still make it sound like a crazy algorithmicly sequenced granular machine.

i'm fine w/that

especially if it's a tassman 5

not getting my hopes up. it'll probably be lounge lizard or whatever as someone suggested.

regarding richard.. if you follow him on instagram he often posts melodic pieces that are kind of ambient/down tempo feeling. very much 'music theory' relevant. he's a trained classical pianist after all.. so indulges that as much as the pure machine funk electronic experimentation.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:20 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
crystalmsc wrote:Richard Devine is going to show something new with AAS at NAMM, let's see!
let me guess; Lounge Lizard 5 with a new GUI and one new effect.

Hmmm. Looks like its just the 'new effect' part.

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/applied-ac ... dows-36069

And I bet some folk thought AAS couldnt cannibalise bits of Tassman any further, and would have to release T5. Keep dreaming....

Tassman 5, any words?