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wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:14 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
chk071 wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:I wonder why such a strictly EDM-targeted marketing/presentation is necessary for Avenger. I mean there is a lot of money to earn by directing the marketing at composers and musicians also from other genres, no?
Well, if you take a look at what Vengeance-Sound's preferred market is, and how many products they did for that market, then it does make sense. And considering that literally any synth developer out there, apart from a few, also server that market, at least with the way they present their synths, it makes even more sense. But, regardless of that, this synth will be good for ANY musical genre, and i think you do know that anyway, so why even bother?
I bother because I'm highly allergic against these kind of stereotype sounds and it's driving me away from Avenger although it could be a nice instrument in my arsenal. And because I'm in discussion mode today.

Simon, it's unfortunate that Avenger is focusing mostly on EDM sounds. I can assure you that because if the architecture, very similar in many respects to Falcon, there's nothing you can't get out of this outside of granular synthesis, which it doesn't yet have.

But with the ability to import any wavetable in compatible format (so far I've noticed Serum format works fine) the engine itself should be able to produce a huge variety of sounds. The mod matrix is so open ended (appears any parameter can be modulated) that it's only going to be your imagination that limits the sounds you can make with it.

But business is business and I guess you have to cater to the market, demo wise anyway, that is going to make up most of your sales. Why do you think Spectrasonics included all that EDM stuff in Omni 2? They realized that they were probably missing a good segment of their potential market in not doing that.

Ultimately, it's all about making money. If companies don't make money, we don't get these great instruments. Trust me. Avenger is up there with the best of them.

elassi · Post by **elassi** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:17 pm

wagtunes wrote:Ultimately, it's all about making money. If companies don't make money, we don't get these great instruments. Trust me. Avenger is up there with the best of them.

Pls excuse me being curious: do you already have access to Avenger?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:22 pm

elassi wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Ultimately, it's all about making money. If companies don't make money, we don't get these great instruments. Trust me. Avenger is up there with the best of them.
Pls excuse me being curious: do you already have access to Avenger?

I'm on the beta testing team.

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:25 pm

@wag

Why do you think Spectrasonics included all that EDM stuff in Omni 2? They realized that they were probably missing a good segment of their potential market in not doing that

.

Exactly. Omni's edm stuff is quite good, especially airwaves additions, but they were too late in developing this side, and now I only really use omni as a pad machine - force of habit I guess.

Same for electric guitars. It's taken john lemkuhl to show how omni can work guitars really well.

Which leads me to:

What can Avenger do for guitar sounds, which I love, and are undoubtedly a potential market (hands up how many guitarists here)

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:36 pm

kevvvvv wrote:@wag
Why do you think Spectrasonics included all that EDM stuff in Omni 2? They realized that they were probably missing a good segment of their potential market in not doing that
.

Exactly. Omni's edm stuff is quite good, especially airwaves additions, but they were too late in developing this side, and now I only really use omni as a pad machine - force of habit I guess.

Same for electric guitars. It's taken john lemkuhl to show how omni can work guitars really well.

Which leads me to:

What can Avenger do for guitar sounds, which I love, and are undoubtedly a potential market (hands up how many guitarists here)

Guitars? No. It's not that kind of synth at all from what I can tell. It's certainly not going to replace something like Strum Electric or Acoustic or any physically modeled guitar out there. In the FX section, it doesn't even have any amp sims.

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:47 pm

cheers

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:51 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Ultimately, it's all about making money. If companies don't make money, we don't get these great instruments. Trust me. Avenger is up there with the best of them.

I know that from my own business, both as a composer and sound designer, that's why I'm so bewildered by the single-target-EDM-marketing, lot's of money is to be earned elsewhere too.

Whatever...

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:53 pm

kevvvvv wrote:I haven't looked at falcon before (i know, i know ), but on your enthusiastic say-so, I checked out the site and the vids.

Limitless possibilities. I can see why you're so excited.

But 349 to buy.

It had an intro at $229, and then users even got a $100 voucher to use on expansions:
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/uvi-annou ... rice-31437

Not sure why the intro was so good, compared to the regular deal. I think it would be good if they thought about lowering the price to that or even lower.

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:11 pm

HALion 5 is about the same I guess, which should count as Falcon's closest competitor. Steinberg has had a few 50 % off sales afaik though.

ljpro1 · Post by **ljpro1** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:14 pm

I would DEFINITELY be interested to see what Simon, Richard Devine, Antonio Blanca, Ivo Ivanov and others could do with this synth ! ! . . .

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:28 pm

They could rip a nice hole in it is what they could do. Avenger is pretty incredible and will be used much next year in my arsenal.

Jon

lolilol1975 · Post by **lolilol1975** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:54 pm

Too bad I'm buying a guitar tomorrow. I guess I'll have to wait another year to buy this gem of a synth.
All I can say is, the price is right. It's even cheap compared to the heavyweights it's going to box against.

godly · Post by **godly** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:49 pm

Caine123 wrote:Not against Avenger but this Sounds repetitive and awkward.
Gruss imma get the Future xp

Thx for the demo, but I hope there comes some diversity in the sounds.
Getting a bit tired of trap and stuff.

Ekso · Post by **Ekso** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:52 pm

I just read the review and watched the 30 minutes long video of CM Magazine. Woaw, it's even better than I thought. It is definitely a must buy, the first real contender to serum.
Congrats Vengeance on the 10/10

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:55 pm

msvs wrote:indeed, there are plans to expand Nexus' browser in a future update

That IS good news, and painfully long overdue.

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