What genres of music you do with MuLab?

[Zexila]

Interested in with kind of music you guys do with MuLab, are there any features in MuLab that really serve you well for it and what are you missing right now to make your music making experience even better?

[ghettosynth]

Well, I just started using MuLab because I was looking for something that was closer to a DAW than Reaktor but still modular enough that I could do a lot of things that I do in reaktor are more of a meta-level. For example. I find it much easier with MuLab to make use of Reaktor's many cool sequencers and I can eliminate the common rats nest of routing that I have to create with other DAWs. With Mulab I can easily use Reaktor's sequencers to drive Reaktor's other sequencers and take their sub outputs and use them to drive instruments.

I do mostly weird ambient and experimental things these days. Music that nobody listens to. Some techno and House, however. I think that there are some things that I will do in Reaktor that I would probably prefer were just mulab modules, but, I'll hold my thoughts on that for a bit.

[solipsvs]

i mostly use muzys on my meager dual core 10" netbook. im getting a very contemporary sound from muzynth. in mulab i would want a play room or some sort of easy arrangement mode like opcode vision had so many years ago. recording audio with mulab is welcome however. im not sure mulab needs genre specific tools or features. it in my opinion ONLY needs feng shui refinements... remove 'extra clicks' and 'mouse travel' and attempt to foster energy flow like muzys had. (man that muzys was a top notch package. only the good die young) make everything accessible from the top window, no matter where you are in the program. every other page is only 1 click away. oh and of course more synths built from modular components. you know, most stuff i hear in the library isnt RUDE... some of it should be. we need some nasty dirty ballsy sounds in there.

[Reincke]

Jazz and pop. And everything between.
JR

[Zexila]

Very interesting and creative stuff guys, keep them coming.

I do mostly weird ambient and experimental things these days.

Anything involving audio by any chance? Asking this because would like to know your take on MuLab's audio editing side.

[ghettosynth]

Very interesting and creative stuff guys, keep them coming.

I do mostly weird ambient and experimental things these days.

Anything involving audio by any chance? Asking this because would like to know your take on MuLab's audio editing side.

Since I just got started with MuLab, I don't want to comment too much as I just might be missing features. That said, that isn't why I got MuLab and I won't be giving up my other DAWs just yet.

But, ok, at the moment I can't see that it really compares to Reaper and Cubase. I do a lot of shaping of audio in both programs by making use of fade in/fade out/crossfade curves and both Reaper and Cubase seem much easier than Mulab to do that sort of thing. Like I said, there might be something that I'm missing. Reaper's ability to grab and stretch or grab and drag to repeat make working with audio really fast. Cubase's fade in editing tools are more powerful than Reaper's but it's cumbersome in other ways.

I would need to see something like that before I spent much time in mulab processing audio. At the moment I use it as a powerful sequencer to generate audio which I then take into either Reaper or Cubase.

Hope that helps.

[Zexila]

Hope that helps.

It does, thank you.

[gammatotchi]

I do mostly melodic EDM such as future bass, tropical house and chillstep

[Zexila]

I do mostly melodic EDM such as future bass, tropical house and chillstep

How much are you relying on MUX vs. 3rd party plugins?

And overall, how is MuLab serving you for your needs, wish for anything improved or added and etc.?

Jazz and pop. And everything between.
JR

Same questions as above, so using mostly MUX or 3rd party plugins, craving for some features/improvements and so on?

[dakkra]

Trance, Electro, a lot of Soundtrack work for various projects of my friends and I. When I feel especially creative I'll work orchestral samples in to create a more "rugged" sound.

Basically whatever I feel like making at the time is the genre I compose for.

Dakkra

[gammatotchi]

I do mostly melodic EDM such as future bass, tropical house and chillstep

How much are you relying on MUX vs. 3rd party plugins?

And overall, how is MuLab serving you for your needs, wish for anything improved or added and etc.?

You know tbh, I only use a synth made by MUX geek with in this group I often use MUX to make an effect or instrument, I just use it as a SEND FX Track, but with mulab alone I just love how straightforward it is with making your music, it's like some DAW's but with a childish kind of look (which I like) working with Mulab is okay, It's still incomplete for me but still,want to use this software

[Zexila]

You know tbh, I only use a synth made by MUX geek with in this group I often use MUX to make an effect or instrument, I just use it as a SEND FX Track, but with mulab alone I just love how straightforward it is with making your music, it's like some DAW's but with a childish kind of look (which I like) working with Mulab is okay, It's still incomplete for me but still,want to use this software

Thank you for expanding on it.

Yeah, MuLab looks really special to me too, agree also that it's not "there" yet for me too, but want to use it in the future if Jo makes few right moves.

[solipsvs]

theres that looks question again. hidden features, explanations needed.

my solution for success: split mux from mulab. make mulab stand on its own without the support of mux. then it will become strong in its own and the same for mux. but jo wont do that. so itll forever be stuck between a tool for a geek and something that wants to look easy enough for a school girl. the 2 interests almost never meet. you cant cater to both demographics and expect a harmonious or profitable development cycle. all the geeks will outclass the schoolgirls while the schoolgirls have the budget power. only because they outnumber the geeks in a big way. so split mux from mulab and focus either appropriately. include all the mux synths with mulab but only offer the modular experience when you buy mux. make the bigger mux efforts and mux its self purchasable for cheap within mulab. sorta like ios does it with in app purchases. but cheap, so schoolgirls can afford them. remove the unknown and profit from the schoolgirls

muzys has that balance. mulab doesnt quite yet. it has something... but balance? focus? not as much.

[MuTools]

theres that looks question again.

Some like the looks, some like them less. One thing is sure: Also the looks are constantly evolving to better balances, as you can see from version to version. At the same time, looks preferences are a personal thing, so i'm also further extending the skinnability of the looks, step by step.

hidden features

Also this aspect depends from person to person, for some users the clean unbloated UI is an advantage too. But also here i continue to improve balances and tweakability towards personal taste.

explanations needed.

I see on the net that also for other DAWs there are many questions. I guess it's normal for something with the complexity and speciality of a DAW. But of course i essentially agree that the more it is self-explanatory and intuitive the better, very important goal indeed.

my solution for success: split mux from mulab. make mulab stand on its own without the support of mux. then it will become strong in its own and the same for mux. but jo wont do that.

Why not? Did i say so? At the contrary, in some recent post i admitted that i misestimated the appreciation for the modular concept. I thought it would be much like a toy box, playing with sound blocks, building up sounds and music in a playful way. It's less true than i thought. Many (most?) users indeed like (more) prefab sounds and effects, presented in fixed synth/effect devices, which is an easier to grab concept than a modular concept. It makes me think about things.

so itll forever be stuck between a tool for a geek and something that wants to look easy enough for a school girl. the 2 interests almost never meet.

Seems to be true, i'm learning about that.

you cant cater to both demographics and expect a harmonious or profitable development cycle. all the geeks will outclass the schoolgirls while the schoolgirls have the budget power. only because they outnumber the geeks in a big way. so split mux from mulab and focus either appropriately. include all the mux synths with mulab but only offer the modular experience when you buy mux. make the bigger mux efforts and mux its self purchasable for cheap within mulab. sorta like ios does it with in app purchases. but cheap, so schoolgirls can afford them. remove the unknown and profit from the schoolgirls

From time to time i'm brainstorming in a similar direction. To avoid confusion: I won't change MuLab itself too much as i will respect the users that chose for that concept ie. an unbloated DAW combined with a flexible modular sound engine. But maybe i might implement a new concept into a new product. Or maybe i can improve MuLab's concept. Or maybe both. Not yet decided, not yet a clear plan. Breeding on it while working on other important aspects.

muzys has that balance. mulab doesnt quite yet. it has something... but balance? focus? not as much.

I much appreciate your emphasis on this aspect. Similar to that other post you made recently, same emphasis and same true point. Thanks for that. I can't do magic on short term, also cause i'm currently working on adding time-stretching, something that any MuTools DAW product should have, whatever the concept, "school girl"-ish or geek-ish, to use your terms. So i'm not loosing time working on that. (not that easy to implement though and at this point i can't yet make any concrete promises, still in research phase)

Conclusion: I understand your point, and i agree for a great part with it. That said it's not that easy to translate that into a real new/updated concept. Working on things, step by step.

[sl23]

Although I don't often delve into the modular side of things to make new devices, gen appreciate that its there as and when I need it. Perhaps you should have a separate version of mulab for the school girls.

To cripple the existing version of mulab, not necessarily version 7, 8, 9, 10, etc, but this actual app, would be cruel to the existing user base. I didn't buy mulab for its modular system, didn't even know about it, but I'm so glad to have it, for that to be removed would be devastating for me and maybe others too.

Which is why a separate basic version of mulab would be better. If mux is available on its own, it shouldn't be too difficult to have mulab on its own too?

Whatever the choice you make I love mulab and plan to stick with for many years as long as we don't lose that modular system!