Bazille - most misunderstood synth?

[fluffy_little_something]

Judging from videos and audios Bazille comes across as a noise and special effects plugin, not as an overly musical synth.

[Numanoid]

Judging from videos and audios Bazille comes across as a noise and special effects plugin, not as an overly musical synth.

That is maybe where u-he could come in with some expert tips & tricks vids to dispell that myth that Bazille is a one trick FX pony

[david.beholder]

Judging from videos and audios Bazille comes across as a noise and special effects plugin, not as an overly musical synth.

Isn't music noise, special effects and deep bass? Judging from videos it is.

[glokraw]

There has hardly been any updates since Bazille got released a couple of years back:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/u-he-relea ... ucts-30793

At least release some free new patches now and again to keep interest in the product. To get newbies to know about the products, that is a way to promote it after release date.

I think the nearly free Beatzille and CM versions certainly discount part of your
feeling. As for Hive, I bought it based on the available free presets,
and at a onee-time-only special sale price, so there, take that!

I would also take the lack of updates to be hinting at bug-free coding,
of products completed for their original purpose. I guess I hope for
Zebra3, sooner than later, as a bright future.

I also think the Repro-1 compliments Hive so well, that it's better
having the man-hours spent on Repro-1 and it's sounds,
than on a bunch of features wedged into successful finished products.
But U-he may be full of surprises. 2017
Cheers

[Bodhisan]

The first problem is really easy - it's really complicated. It requires a lot of time, patience and talent, and I lack all three.

This is the point of why I started this arguably debatable thread. What you say above, that was me until I educated myself a bit (it doesn't really take much). You can do the same thing - and I hope you do.

[Numanoid]

I would also take the lack of updates to be hinting at bug-free coding,
of products completed for their original purpose.

Sure, but adding small touches along the way like NKS compatability or new skins are always appreciated by someone.

Like with DIVA for example:
https://www.u-he.com/cms/180-diva-nks-ready

[ghettosynth]

How many patches do you want in your library and what kind of sounds would you like?

I don't know if you misunderstood my post.

It wasn't hard to understand, I was adding some entertainment value to this thread.

I don't crave more patches in particular (more is always nice though )

Of course.

But releasing patch expansions now and then gives the dev chance to bump the thread of an older synth again and again, to bring it up and to the attention to new/possible buyers.

Another thing a dev could do is to release "tips & tricks" vids on youtube, to also be able to bump the threads of old synths with new info, time and again.

Yes, I get it, but I don't think that you do. Loyal Uhe customers don't want Urs wasting his time catering to the unwashed masses who can't figure out the difference between the filter in Bazille and the filter(s) in Sonigen. We want him to cater to our more refined taste and spend his time creating more deep and awesome products.

That's hard work. Leave the tutorial building and patch making up to other people. If Urs is happy with the number of Bazille sales, why are you concerned about how much and what kind of marketing that he does?

Now what kind of focus would you like to see in the patches?

[Bodhisan]

The first problem is really easy - it's really complicated. It requires a lot of time, patience and talent, and I lack all three.

This is the point of why I started this arguably debatable thread. What you say above, that was me until I educated myself a bit (it doesn't really take much). You can do the same thing - and I hope you do. I don't think this is elitist at all - whoever thought that.

I just keep hitting the quotes instead of the edit button...

[Numanoid]

Looks like another u-he fanboi has been unmasked

Loyal Uhe customers don't want Urs wasting his time catering to the unwashed masses who can't figure out the difference between the filter in Bazille and the filter(s) in Sonigen.

Oh those terrible peasants!

Unlike educated users of course, should you happen to be one of those by the way?

We want him to cater to our more refined taste and spend his time creating more deep and awesome products.

We want, is that the vote of the collective?

If Urs is happy with the number of Bazille sales, why are you concerned about how much and what kind of marketing that he does?

I almost feel like I should be impaled on the castle wall, because I dared suggest which analog filter emu was best for Repro-1. How dare I ?

[noiseboyuk]

The first problem is really easy - it's really complicated. It requires a lot of time, patience and talent, and I lack all three.

This is the point of why I started this arguably debatable thread. What you say above, that was me until I educated myself a bit (it doesn't really take much). You can do the same thing - and I hope you do.

That quote is very much in tandem with the rest of my post though, Bodhisan. There's is absolutely nothing about Bazille that entices me to spend time with it. Well, the sound is great of course, and for many that is enough. But not for me. I have many synths which create spectacular sounds - one has to find some kind of affinity with a synth in order to devote the time and energy to really get to know it. I've just found that anything that apes hardware from a UI perspective I find incredibly off-putting. Woven into every single integration between me and the machine is an artiface, pretending its a bit of hardware but asking me not to get my hands dirty, but my mouse. It's nasty. However, if a synth is comfortable in its own skin, does things that put its computer-origin front and centre in terms of its interface (and does it well), I'm far more likely to warm to it. Omnisphere has always made sense to me, and far more recently so does Avenger. I can't pretend to be a master at either, but I can wade in above my ankles, because I like how they are designed - they both take totally different approaches from each other, but are both very much computer synths and proud.

[Numanoid]

This is the point of why I started this arguably debatable thread. What you say above, that was me until I educated myself a bit (it doesn't really take much). You can do the same thing - and I hope you do.

So you have found a synth, that you feel other users have forgotten about.

Meaning you have a secret weapon in your arsenal.

Why do you want other users to educate themselves so that your secret weapon is revelead, and your knowledge becomes commonplace and mediocre, as other users will surpass your own tweaking.

I just don't get what is in it for you?

[Bodhisan]

This is the point of why I started this arguably debatable thread. What you say above, that was me until I educated myself a bit (it doesn't really take much). You can do the same thing - and I hope you do.

So you have found a synth, that you feel other users have forgotten about.

Meaning you have a secret weapon in your arsenal.

Why do you want other users to educate themselves so that your secret weapon is revelead, and your knowledge becomes commonplace and mediocre, as other users will surpass your own tweaking.

I just don't get what is in it for you?

You're so suspicious! And I don't think I've found a synth others have forgotten. I just want to spread the joy of education. Merry Christmas!

[BBFG#]

As with most plugins being discussed on KVR, it comes down to character and our own subjective response to it.

Bazille's 'character' grabs me.
So I don't find fault with it, even though programming it has been for the most part, fruitless by me. I am therefore relying on what others are selling. And that's where it gets tricking and warranting some skepticism IMO.

U-he has set a new bar with this one that others will have to acknowledge in trying anything similar. I think what we're really experiencing is the new programming where sound designers are selling their first atempts which to me, are not much more than experimental noise that has very little value for music composition. But I also see these same designers beginning to make good banks for it now. (So as long as we don't waste our money on their first and second bank, we won't feel like we bought junk.) I will say that one or two were able to put a first bank for it out that was quite good though, so use your best discernment on what is good for you.

As far as people selling it cheaply, I really haven't seen any price that was lower than their initial offering. So still a great price for anyone wanting to give it a try.

And then there is the company itself, which has become one of my top favorites for many reasons, which makes me reluctant to sell off any of it.

I think if we give it time, it will be a standard synth that nothing (yet) compares to.

[wagtunes]

As with most plugins being discussed on KVR, it comes down to character and our own subjective response to it.

Bazille's 'character' grabs me.
So I don't find fault with it, even though programming it has been for the most part, fruitless by me. I am therefore relying on what others are selling. And that's where it gets tricking and warranting some skepticism IMO.

U-he has set a new bar with this one that others will have to acknowledge in trying anything similar. I think what we're really experiencing is the new programming where sound designers are selling their first atempts which to me, are not much more than experimental noise that has very little value for music composition. But I also see these same designers beginning to make good banks for it now. (So as long as we don't waste our money on their first and second bank, we won't feel like we bought junk.) I will say that one or two were able to put a first bank for it out that was quite good though, so use your best discernment on what is good for you.

As far as people selling it cheaply, I really haven't seen any price that was lower than their initial offering. So still a great price for anyone wanting to give it a try.

And then there is the company itself, which has become one of my top favorites for many reasons, which makes me reluctant to sell off any of it.

I think if we give it time, it will be a standard synth that nothing (yet) compares to.

Know what? I should probably do a Bazille tutorial. Because honestly, if you take it section by section, it's not a hard synth to program. Certainly no harder than something like Dune 2 or even Diva. The key is not looking at the whole screen at once and letting your eyes cross and glaze over.

When I get the time.

[ghettosynth]

Certainly no harder than something like Dune 2 or even Diva. The key is not looking at the whole screen at once and letting your eyes cross and glaze over.

I'm not sure that I agree that it's as easy as Diva and I don't think complexity of the synth proper is the issue either. The basic concept of subtractive synthesis is easy enough for people to grok, what is challenging about Bazille, and pretty much all FM/PD synths, is that the harmonics of the source material are not so trivial to define.

I think that fundamentally that's always going to limit the audience for programming of synths built around FM/PD oscillators.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that some tutorials will help some people. I just disagree that it can ever be as easy as a basic subtractive architecture.