Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[exmatproton]

Which isn't true at all. Not by a long shot. Not even with pro-users. Hell, 4K isn't standard in "tv-world" at all. I am not sure where Manuel gets that info...That's all i am saying. It will take a long time before 4K becomes standard and i think therefor a good scalable UI is the best way to go

it will be in the next years. I think so. Prices will fall rapidly.
Atm you can get 1080p TFTs for >100€. Several years ago, FULL HD was pricey as 4k is atm.
You can get something beyond 1080p for 250€ already. If you can afford several VSTi's you can afford this, too.

regarding TVs: I bought a TV for xmas and it would have been hard to get a decent one, which is NOT 4k atm. So I went for a 4k (even if I do not see the benefit in 4k for a TV, when you sit 5m away)
Of course I am talking about Germany. It may differ completely in other countries.

Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Well, avenger now works really fine here, and I barely use multiple instance windows at once. But if you would ask me , I would suggest to reimplement/improve that rescaling algorithm over time, since it strains the gpu for no obvious good reason. So maybe it could be improved from conceptional point of view (and also from gui api provider)? The readability is better now, but still could be better. No need to provide a FPS settings, doesnt change too much, only the GUI size really seems to matter.

This is really an impressive workstation concept-like synth, some much possibilities and also so nicely designed, well detailed, inspiring presets.

[Coockie1176ln]

Which isn't true at all. Not by a long shot. Not even with pro-users. Hell, 4K isn't standard in "tv-world" at all. I am not sure where Manuel gets that info...That's all i am saying. It will take a long time before 4K becomes standard and i think therefor a good scalable UI is the best way to go

it will be in the next years. I think so. Prices will fall rapidly.
Atm you can get 1080p TFTs for >100€. Several years ago, FULL HD cost multiple times more.
You can get something beyond 1080p for 250€ already. If you can afford VSTi's you can afford this, too.

regarding TVs: I bought a TV for xmas and it would have been hard to get a decent one, which is NOT 4k atm. So I went for a 4k (even if I do not see the benefit in 4k for a TV, when you sit 5m away)
Of course I am talking about Germany. It may differ completely in other countries.

the biggest benifit with a tv with 4k is not 4k but HDR (high dynamic range).
Also as a computer screen it wont happen next year. Also avenger is designed to be used on larger screen obviously because all the small fonts, even if i switch to quad HD or 4k uhd it will look pretty damn small on stock 24 inch. Ppl wont replace a working display which almost has no benifits if not using bigger screen on close and will still be to expensive next year. Trust my words most people wont switch.

[msvs]

Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.

I disagree with you completely. Well, only time will tell.
Fact is, that you can work on a 1080p screen very well in Avenger. It does not look as cool as on a higher res, but you can work.

[Coockie1176ln]

Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.

I disagree with you completely. Well, only time will tell.
Fact is, that you can work on a 1080p screen very well in Avenger. It does not look as cool as on a higher res, but you can work.

Yeah in my experience, worst ive seen on hd display in sharpness and clearness! How avenger looks on hd is worse then what hd is, allways bad feeling when everything else looks sharper. Will this be fixed? Is it because downscaling from higher resolution it looks so bad? sylenth1 look really good on 4k and hd i dont see why it cant be the same for avenger.

[exmatproton]

Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.

I disagree with you completely. Well, only time will tell.
Fact is, that you can work on a 1080p screen very well in Avenger. It does not look as cool as on a higher res, but you can work.

Disagree? About facts? Strange...

[noiseboyuk]

Disagree? About facts? Strange...

Not any more - we're all post-fact now. Facts are so last century.

[exmatproton]

Disagree? About facts? Strange...

Not any more - we're all post-fact now. Facts are so last century.

I guess so..........weird stuff

[SLiC]

Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.

I disagree with you completely. Well, only time will tell.
Fact is, that you can work on a 1080p screen very well in Avenger. It does not look as cool as on a higher res, but you can work.

Disagree? About facts? Strange...

Unless you can accurately predict the future these are not facts, they are your opinion

1080P has been the general resolution for a long time, personally I suspect it will go 4K next, within a year or 2- not facts, speculation I bought a decent 28inch 4K (AOC) for less than £250, I don t know why anyone would buy/want less....

Avenger works fine for me 1080P (laptop) and 4K (DAW), my opinion!

[exmatproton]

Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.

I disagree with you completely. Well, only time will tell.
Fact is, that you can work on a 1080p screen very well in Avenger. It does not look as cool as on a higher res, but you can work.

Disagree? About facts? Strange...

Unless you can accurately predict the future these are not facts, they are your opinion

1080P has been the general resolution for a long time, personally I suspect it will go 4K next, within a year or 2- not facts, speculation I bought a decent 28inch 4K (AOC) for less than £250, I don t know why anyone would buy/want less....

Avenger works fine for me 1080P (laptop) and 4K (DAW), my opinion!

Well, no. 1080p still isn't the general resolution. That is a fact. You are talking about specific markets (sub-pro, enthousiasts, gamers). You seem to forget that most display users are "common" people who don't want to spend 150 to 250 euro's on a display. + Many "normal" users have a 'cheap' laptop with "low res" displays.

Also, all i am stating are facts, except for my prediction, based upon the last 20 years of displays (i am in that buisness, so i think it is fair to say that my prediction will hold to a big amount), but Manuel said he disagreed completely.....which, i think, is weird. Furthermore, i think you're stating your opinion based on what is happening on the tv market, where indeed 1440p isn't being used that much in displays. Obviously we are talking about pc screens and laptop displays here...

Even on steam, where 1080p is the most used res, 1366x768 is the second most used res. With 24,86 %. 1080p is 38,06 %.

[Ryan99]

This thread is more than 200 pages for a reason... Let's talk about the weather now!

[SLiC]

Again, what you are writing isn't true. A mediocre 1080P screen costs between 80 and 250 euro's. It has been like that for years and years. Hell, i even bought a 1920x1200 screen 12 years ago for 300 euro's. 4k displays begin @ around 300 euro's (for a shitty display btw). A mediocre 4K goes for 400 to 600 euro's and the better ones start at 600 ~ 700 euro's.

We are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution. And then we have another resolution which will go first: 1440P. This will take some years and after that, it is 4K's turn. Believe me, it will take more then 5 to 8 years, before 4K is the most used resolution in displays (laptops, external displays).

So, if you mean by "in the next years", 'in about 7 to 10 years', then yes. But not in the next couple (2 to 3) of years.

I disagree with you completely. Well, only time will tell.
Fact is, that you can work on a 1080p screen very well in Avenger. It does not look as cool as on a higher res, but you can work.

Disagree? About facts? Strange...

Unless you can accurately predict the future these are not facts, they are your opinion

1080P has been the general resolution for a long time, personally I suspect it will go 4K next, within a year or 2- not facts, speculation I bought a decent 28inch 4K (AOC) for less than £250, I don t know why anyone would buy/want less....

Avenger works fine for me 1080P (laptop) and 4K (DAW), my opinion!

Well, no. 1080p still isn't the general resolution. That is a fact. You are talking about specific markets (sub-pro, enthousiasts, gamers). You seem to forget that most display users are "common" people who don't want to spend 150 to 250 euro's on a display. + Many "normal" users have a 'cheap' laptop with "low res" displays.

Also, all i am stating are facts, except for my prediction, based upon the last 20 years of displays (i am in that buisness, so i think it is fair to say that my prediction will hold to a big amount). Furthermore, i think you're stating your opinion based on what is happening on the tv market, where indeed 1440p isn't being used that much in displays. Obviously we are talking about pc screens and laptop displays here...

Even on steam, where 1080p is the most used res, 1366x768 is the second most used res. With 24,86 %. 1080p is 38,06 %.

Yes, 1080p is the most common resolution for anyone using a monitor. Laptops are what drags the resolution down to 1366x768. So for desktops, 1080p is statistically the most common resolution. As for the future...Your fact was 'we are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution' - it is for all desktop users, it is not yet standard for laptop screens, and may never be as it isn't always suited for small screens (with my old eyes I cant use 1080P 15 inch monitors!)

[Sampleconstruct]

My mum burned 5 kg of green cabbage in her kitchen, what a horrendous smell experience.

[exmatproton]

Yes, 1080p is the most common resolution for anyone using a monitor. Laptops are what drags the resolution down to 1366x768. So for desktops, 1080p is statistically the most common resolution. As for the future...Your fact was 'we are still waiting for 1080P becomming the general resolution' - it is for all desktop users, it is not yet standard for laptop screens, and may never be as it isn't always suited for small screens (with my old eyes I cant use 1080P 15 inch monitors!)

Ok, fair enough. With 1 addition; it is not only laptop displays that's dragging it down. We forget about all the other resolutions. Like 1600 x 900, 1680 x 1050 and 1920x1200. Many users are still using those as well. Fact of the matter is, is that hardware advances not that rapidly. Not yet at least. Most people on 1080P will upgrade to 1440P. Some of them (a small amount) won't go higher in res per display, but buy a second 1080P and even a smaller portion will go from 1080P to 4K (and these are facts as well. Statistics show only a small (relatively speaking ofcourse) growth towards 4K displays).

Having said all that, that was not the point i was answering to. Manuel stated something which isn't true;

"4k will soon be default everywhere. In the TV world, its already standard... and tbh I think this is good. Anyone who worked already on a 4k screen won't go back " --> which is utter bull. Unless he means within 10 years, when he used the word 'soon'. (+ In the tv world 4K isn't standard AT ALL. It's still a niche)

[Ryan99]

My mum burned 5 kg of green cabbage in her kitchen, what a horrendous smell experience.

Please start your own thread about your cabbage experience.

And for those that don't get it, please start another thread about the TV resolution of the future, which is irrelevant to the current thread, which is compliant to KVR rules. Thanks and back to the topic about the mighty Avenger, which I love by the way!