Cytomic "The Drop" Resonant Filter

[andy-cytomic]

Which clone do you have? It is a mk1 or mk2 style filter? Have a go with the MS1 filter, and turn the little trimpot near the res knob up to 200% (edit: and the res knob up to full). The analog will have more noise and have the edge in terms of tone, but The Drop has the best filter models available in any filter plugin available.

It's Paul Perry's Frostwave Resonator so I'm not really sure which revision he used, I know the Drop is the best Andy and I said so in this very thread but there is something with digital when you go over the top with resonance and also overdrive that is just not quite the same as in analogue imo, but i find it's the same with all Vst's.

Edit; Ok that trimpot Andy, hello screaming analogue filth! That is just awesome work man and I have to eat my own hat right away, this is just on another level yet again, great work.

2nd Edit; Ohh yes

Glad you like it! The Frostwave resonator is a mk2 filter, so to emulate that sound you should use the MS2 filter in The Drop, hopefully they should be pretty close given the limits of keeping things cpu friendly. I find the MS1 nastier as it has more distortion in the main signal path, and the growl from the biased unbalanced transistors is also a bit angrier

edit: But both the MS20 filters sound kinda polite when you compare them to the WSP, please give that a go as well!

[andy-cytomic]

Ha, sorry! I actually went in to the set up screen to see if there was a note about that but somehow blew right past that pop-up. Stupid me. Carry on...

No worries! I'm not sure how to make it more obvious than that, but I do understand just clicking ok to get rid of annoying boxes, I do it too!

[shroom81]

I am rinsing Diva through the wasp filter right now with my jaw on the floor sir It's not many time's a Vst has had the hair on my arms raising but the Wasp filter does that in spades

[Echoes in the Attic]

I was just trying out the Wasp on a few different sources as well. Good fun with Omnisphere, especailly with the analog synth sounds from Trilian. The Drop just might be a great companion to Omni/Trilian, since it's filters are not great when it comes to squelchy analog behavior.

So now that you've made Ableton way better by putting your filters in Operator and the other instruments, how about offering your services to Spectrasonics? They need some help in the filter department...

[nrosko]

Either I'm living in a parallel universe where computers are living breathing analogue monsters or this VST is incredible.
Thank you for this update Andy its just perfect, I'm still hoping you turn your skills to a synth one day.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I'd be interested to see a synth as well. You certainly have the filters covered. But people never talk about the oscillators of synths for some reason (unless it's wavetable or something fancy), it's always all about the filters when it comes to analog. But VAs sound so vastly different from each other just using the oscillators, without any filtering at all. Especially when you stack 2 or 3 together, all VAs seem to respond very differently. so I'm curious what your oscs would sound like.

[sqigls]

Andy did the oscillators for Synth Squad, correct me if i'm wrong?

[egbert101]

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[knowix]

Is the "analogness" of emulated oscillators judged from their level of aliasing and their response when modulated, rather than their being any magic to the generation of the waveforms?

[Architeuthis]

Very happy with how this sound came out:
MP3: http://www.elanhickler.com/_/the_drop_squelchy.mp3
WAV: elanhickler.com/_/the_drop_squelchy.wav (disable auto-play)

(REAPER crashed and I lost the patch, oops)

Using PRD filter, high res, some drive, modulating with LFO2 and making use of asym/curve knobs. This is close to the sound of the Thomas White Buchla LPG [Lowpass Gate / LoPass / Low Pass] (filter only w/resonance). Oh also I compressed the living s*** out of this, brings out the bass and resonance a bit more.

I'm attempting to get a vactrol response with the asym/curve knobs. It's pretty good, but LFO2 was not made to open and close like a vactrol so it's difficult to get the perfect settings for this kind of sound. But The Drop is great nonetheless!

Here's the TH Buchla LPG sound I was trying to recreate:
http://www.elanhickler.com/_/thomas_whi ... ippets.mp3

KSM might actually have a resonance characteristic closer to that of the TH LPG. If you could increase the resonance past 200% I'm sure the KSM resonance would become more square and sound very close to the thomas white LPG at max resonance/screaminess. Add a "vactrol mode" to the filter modulation and it will get even closer.

This is not a feature request, just an explanation of what might get closer to the sound I was trying to recreate.

[Architeuthis]

http://www.elanhickler.com/_/eh_the_drop_doodle.wav

Microtonic + Ohmicide for percussion. KSM filter. Messed with pitch and rate after recording just to hear a few different "perspectives".

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<Cytomic Product="The Drop" Version="1.5.2">
  <Preset Name="Default" Version="1.5.2">
    <Parameters>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Freq" Value="380.1 Hz"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Res" Value="125.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Drive" Value="6.11999989 dB"/>
      <Tuple Key="Shift" Value="0.00000000 st, No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Freq" Value="0.000 Hz"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Res" Value="15.00000095 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Drive" Value="0.00000000 dB"/>
      <Tuple Key="Spread" Value="3.39840364 st, No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp 4 Pole" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Circuit" Value="KSM"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Safe Res" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Active" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp 4 Pole" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Circuit" Value="KSM"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Safe Res" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Active" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Pre" Value="11.93082237dB"/>
      <Tuple Key="Post" Value="-6.21500731dB"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mix" Value="100.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Pad" Value="-12 dB"/>
      <Tuple Key="Glide" Value="249.99996948 mS"/>
      <Tuple Key="Glide Mode" Value="2 Pole"/>
      <Tuple Key="Glide Track" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Active" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Rate" Value="1.00000000 Hz"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Mult" Value="1.00000000 x"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Spread" Value="0.00000000 deg"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Sync" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Uni" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Trig" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Source" Value="Manual"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Level" Value="Full"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Active" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Rate" Value="1/16 Note"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Mult" Value="1.00000000 x"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Asym" Value="100.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Curve" Value="-35.34000397 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Swing" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Rand" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Phase" Value="0.00000000 deg"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Spread" Value="0.00000000 deg"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Sync" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Uni" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Trig" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Once" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Source" Value="Beat 2"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Level" Value="Full"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Pattern" Value="6"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 Steps" Value="16"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Active" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Attack" Value="1.00000000 mS"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Hold" Value="0.00000000 mS"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Relelase" Value="249.99995422 mS"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Sens" Value="50.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Mode" Value="Gate"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Source" Value="In Main"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1 Trig" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Active" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Attack" Value="1.00000000 mS"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Hold" Value="0.00000000 mS"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Relelase" Value="249.99995422 mS"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Sens" Value="50.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Mode" Value="Gate"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Source" Value="In Main"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2 Trig" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm Active" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm Source" Value="In Main"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm Level" Value="Full"/>
      <Tuple Key="Midi Active" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Legato" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Track" Value="100.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp KeyTrack" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp KeyTrack" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2 KeyTrack" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Source View" Value="Lfo 2"/>
      <Tuple Key="Dest Select" Value="Shift"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mod HpFreq" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mod HpRes" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mod Shift" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mod LpFreq" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mod LpRes" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mod Pre" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Mod Post" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1]HpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2]HpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1]HpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2]HpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm]HpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1]HpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2]HpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1]HpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2]HpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm]HpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1]Shift" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2]Shift" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1]Shift" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2]Shift" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm]Shift" Value="120.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1]LpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2]LpFreq" Value="69.11999512 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1]LpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2]LpFreq" Value="0.00000000 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm]LpFreq" Value="46.22399139 st"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1]LpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2]LpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1]LpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2]LpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm]LpRes" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1]Pre" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2]Pre" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1]Pre" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2]Pre" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm]Pre" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1]Post" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo2]Post" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env1]Post" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Env2]Post" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Fm]Post" Value="0.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Power" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Step ShSp" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Wide ShSp" Value="No"/>
      <Tuple Key="Routing" Value="Serial"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Hd" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lp Resmax" Value="200.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Hd" Value="Yes"/>
      <Tuple Key="Hp Resmax" Value="125.00000000 %"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Phase" Value="0.00000000 deg"/>
      <Tuple Key="Lfo1 Once" Value="No"/>
    </Parameters>
    <StepSeq>
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    </StepSeq>
  </Preset>
</Cytomic>

[nrosko]

LP Drive led seems to be stuck on red when MS1 is selected.

[vespesian]

The AMU filter is realllly nice.....

[andy-cytomic]

LP Drive led seems to be stuck on red when MS1 is selected.

Thanks for spotting that, I need to adjust the levels now there is a DC offset in the signal path that wasn't there before - this will be clipping the drive indicator, easy fixed with the next update

[andy-cytomic]

I've started a new product thread about "The Scream", a distortion stomp box plugin. If anyone wants to provide feedback or is interested in discussing TS-808 mods they would like included then please post here:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=477873