Tracktion Software

lowkey · Post by **lowkey** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:13 pm

what if you could load a script filter that found the transients of a wav and then made a midi file for it on the next track?

What if you could colabirate with people over the net using a filter that sends mp3 to your colaborator over the net?

What if you could use Trackton to edit film?

I used to use until reciently Sonar. One of the things which made Sonar so appealing was its use of scripting. Cal (Cakewalk Application Language) was implemented then forgotten about which is unfortunate because it made automating processes easy but the syntax was very hard to understand. Trackton is very good at processing information the information its processing happens to be audio related.

What Id really like to know is...

Can Juice be used to make filters for Trackton?

Could Trackton have a Juice filter to write your wown scripts?

Anyone has used Actionscript on Flash might know what Im on about.

Karbon L. Forms · Post by **Karbon L. Forms** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:48 pm

Nobodies sussed out how to write plugs with JUCE yet. Or they're not letting on. Speak to big J on that one.

Flexinoodles · Post by **Flexinoodles** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:52 pm

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:10 pm

lowkey wrote: I used to use until reciently Sonar. One of the things which made Sonar so appealing was its use of scripting. Cal (Cakewalk Application Language) was implemented then forgotten about which is unfortunate because it made automating processes easy but the syntax was very hard to understand. .

Hi Lowkey you are a very determined fellow!

I hope all the legal stuff gets sorted out...it would be such a shame if Jules giveaway gathers virtual dust on this forum without anyone using it!

What a wasted opportunity that would be...

Judging from your questions the possibilies with Juice could exceed the new feature list for T2

quite easily.

There are truly *massive* possibilities here that seem to have come to a complete stop.What happened to it all?

I hope it all works out for you Lowkey almost the entire development community on KVR knows about it so maybe there is light at the end of this tunnel.I just hope Jules does not change his mind about it all

He seemed pretty upset about the current situation in the original Juce thread.

So many legal issues have been thrown up. I had no idea it could be so complicated

Deed · Post by **Deed** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:46 pm

Well, I didn't use Juce in any project at this thime so I don't really know what it is possible to do with this API, but I really don't understand what you're talking about, scripting and use with tracktion
It is a cross platform GUI API. Tracktion is builded using this API. That's all !
And all the legal stuff that was discussed about the GPL licensing was interesting (at least for me), but why should this licensing issues about doing VST, UNDER GPL LICENCE, should stop anybody to use this API for what it is intented for, that is, build C++ applications with a cross platform GUI ???
I'm afraid Jules should have revealed his API in a developper forum and not in a musician forum

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:58 pm

THANK YOU!

That's what I've been wondering all along...

I've been thinking, "Why are people limiting themselves to wanting to code VSTs??? It's not really intended for that."

I didn't read most of the original release thread, so I never saw Jules' response, but I know that by page 3 or whatever, I was thinking, "What the f**k? This is for building new applications, not just whipping up VSTs!"

Preach, brotherman!

Greg

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:04 pm

Lunch Money wrote:THANK YOU!

This is for building new applications, not just whipping up VSTs!"

Preach, brotherman!

Greg

Great...

hopefully this thread can gather enough momentum and we can get all the developers back in to discuss how things can move forward from here

lowkey · Post by **lowkey** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:27 am

Thank you

I really hope I can at least make some processing filters for Trackton with Juice.

Something like this...

http://mypage.bluewin.ch/ncplus/mfxscript.html

but for Tracton would be cool. Another cool thing would be making a DX/DXI wrapper filter or a MFX wrapper. There are lot of very good VST developers already so I dont want to use this to make yet another VST. Making Trackton only filters seems far more fun.

Besides VST does not have XML, Networking or Image manipulation

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:58 am

lowkey wrote: Something like this...

http://mypage.bluewin.ch/ncplus/mfxscript.html

God Lord, you trying to give folks a f**king embolism???

lowkey · Post by **lowkey** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:25 am

If possible it will be worth it. Flash uses tracks like Trackton but with Actionscript you can do alot more. I know T2 wont have every feature everyone has asked for so being able to make your own additions will be useful.

Wouldnt being able to work with people across the net on a song be useful or making a filter that switches tracks based on velocity be useful?

unknown user · Post by **unknown user** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:59 am

lowkey wrote:Wouldnt being able to work with people across the net on a song be useful or making a filter that switches tracks based on velocity be useful?

...ummm...perhaps, but I don't see how more geeky programmability equals more expressive or callaborative tools, esp. if it's as nerdy as that stuff on your link (give somebody an embolism, LOL!). I think you may be overestimating the willingness and ability of the "average user" to write code, and let's face it, scripting is really just another computer language.

If you want geeky widgetry, energyXT offers reasonably intuitive graphical programmability, which has direct musical application.

Collaboration might be a good use, but the UI is the key, and of course there's latency to deal with. Can't do real time over WWW without resorting to fancy schemes, so what do you have in mind to accomplish with mere scripting? Certainly Tracktion archives could be exposed/published/accessed over the web via XML.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dissuade you--whatever peels your banana! It's just that I don't see the pressing need for a layer of programmability, with respect to making music.

OTOH being able to use Tracktion without a display could be great selling point for blind folks. Some of the blind guys I work with use Cakewalk products because of CAL and CakeTalk.

valley · Post by **valley** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:01 am

Well I already have my standalone app planned out (a Tracktion themed wave editor would rock), I just need to find a spare fortnight to write it.

I'm guessing that'll be in about a years time.

As for the "people obsessing over vst plugins", I don't think they are, there is some confusion over licensing which (for reasons I can't grasp) dragged over ten pages. I think people grasp that VSTs are a small aspect of what JUCE can do, but VSTs are also the fastest reward for minimal effort.

As for using JUCE with VST, I'd be happy to consider to license the commercial version, I'm just waiting for Jules to stump up with a price.

Deed · Post by **Deed** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:59 am

Lunch Money wrote:THANK YOU!

you're welcome

lowkey · Post by **lowkey** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:03 am

Ive emailed Jules to ask him if its possible to make filters for Trackton using Juice. I have the ideas but not the ability at the moment but I know this is worth learning.

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