Synthmaster for $10

[Slaapstadseun]

According to Bulent Biyikoglu at KV331 the delay is with Guitar Center. I asked him if this dreadful delay was with them or with GC.

[hivkorn]

i'm not angry it will coming , if they had to process manualy each sale ,imagine the work it is if they sale 5000 license..

[.jon]

I'm aware that Bazille is not a modular synth.

Yep, it was Urs who said that.

As far as Reaktor goes, what has really turned me off on blocks has nothing to do with blocks. It's Reaktor in general. Reaktor 5 is a royal headache to try to do anything with. You literally need an engineering degree to put things together and I just don't have the patience for that level of programming. Softube is more my speed.

Putting stuff together in Blocks is exactly as simple as Softubes or any real modular system, you patch between inputs and outputs. You can get deeper, but there's no need for that to build a Blocks patch. I honestly recommend you check it out again if you're interested in modular synthesis, it's the closest virtual thing we got so far.

I use Reaktor as a preset machine. I pull up whatever ensemble I need and then program my patch how I want it, like I do with a traditional synth. That's my speed. Not Xor's or whatever. I have zero patience for that crap.

That's the beauty of Reaktor, there are all the fantastic, complete synths and effects to be used just like any other plugins, but you also get the Blocks framework to build modular patches and the whole deep end of the pool. I think it's the best value for the money available at the moment.

[BlackWinny]

On the subject of modular, I too ignore most of what's called modular or semi modular these days. To me, if I can't stick modules together in any manner, shape or form that I want, it's not modular anything. Semi modular? Don't really care. If I can't add an oscillator and route it to anything I want, it's just another synth to me.

So I guess I'm even more rigid on this "modular" stuff than ghetto is.

IMO, I own only 4 modular synths.

MUX
KarmaFX
Softube Modular
Reaktor

And Softube, right now, is still limited because there are only so many modules available and it's not like I can go and get more. They don't exist. And it's not looking like there's going to be any new modules for a long time.

And the truth is, all these synths are limited because they can't connect to other things that they're not compatible with unlike hardware that I can pretty much get stuff from wherever and stick it wherever. That's modular.

Softube has the potential to be that kind of modular if other developers will jump on and make stuff. But right now, it's not happening other than the few modules that have come out. So I'm hoping this changes soon though I'm not going to hold my breath.

One last thing.

Bazille

Yeah, I can stick anything anywhere, just like ACE. But it's a fixed architecture. The number of filters it has is all the filters it's going to have. I can't add any. I can't add any LFOs. I can't add anything. You want to call it semi modular? Fine. I call it a very flexible synth.

So yeah, I'm super picky about this stuff.

I agree.

In your list of true modular synths I would just add Tassman which contains 104 modules that you can select (as many of each one as you want) and can connect in any manner you want, without any fixed structure. And I would add also... Synthedit. There are many things to tell about the quality of the results and about the fact that it is only Windows compatible and only 32-bit, but yes it is in fact indeed a true modular synth if one uses it for personal purposes. It is even so modular that one can create one's own modules with a good knowledge of C++.

That said, I totally agree with you. All the other synths currently qualified as "modular" are in fact based on fixed architecture where you just choose the connections you want but where you can't remove or add a module. And today the only brand I know having a good wide reputation in true modular hardware synths is Doepfer. In the old ages of the 70's (I began the music at the end of the 60's) there was not a lot of brands making true modular synths. I know only Moog and ARP (their ARP Tonus and its declination ARP-2500 which has been better known), and Roland (their "System 700") which were available to make your own specimen... and some smaller "regional" attempts without any real worldwide success.

Now the term "semi-modular. The term "semi-modular" doesn't have any sense any more today. I think that almost everybody lumps together the terms "semi-modular" and "subtractive synthesis" because in the mind one is generally also at least the other. In fact, semi-modular stricto sensu have disappeared in the hardware world when the last MS-20 has been sold. Semi-modular was a term to qualify synths having a predefined architecture based on old modular structure but with a predefined architecture with just the ability for the musician to connect differently some of the modules (without any possibility to add or remove one) using a set of cables to make a "patch". The goal was originally to bring a synth on a stage, thanks especially to ARP (2600) and Moog (not the Minimoog but the "Modular 15", a very simple "modular" called "semi-modular" to be transportable, made in 1974, 5 years after the subtractive (but not really semi-modular) Minimoog) for this excellent idea. Then Roland made another one (the "System 100" qualified as modular while it was in fact a kind of transition between modular and semi-modular because the room for adding modules was way too small to make it really modular), and finally Korg with their MS-20. All the other synths were subtractive, indeed, but not really "semi-modular" since the architecture was fixed on the board and not patchable at all by cables to modify at one's wishes the path of the signal from the source to the output.

Since the discontinuation of the MS-20 (which was the last real one by the major brands having a worldwide fame), all the subtractive hardware synths (and now their software counterparts) are not semi-modular at all, they use the modules which where already in the old semi-modular synth (the traditional structure we all know) but with definitely a fixed architecture. Only some of the U-He synth as ACE and Bazille for example (and some very few other brands, even some very good freewares) are now true "semi-modular" in the sense that one can connect the modules with cables but always respecting the fixed architecture, in the same way than the old ARP2500-2600 or MS-20 which were the most famous.

[egbert101]

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[.jon]

There's actually loads of hw semi-modular synths on the market today, and Korg still makes three versions of the MS-20, plus more on Kickstarter.

some examples:

http://www.makenoisemusic.com/synthesizers/ohcoast
https://www.moogmusic.com/products/semi ... /mother-32
http://pittsburghmodular.com/lifeforms-synthesizers/
http://www.dreadbox-fx.com/synthesizers/
http://analoguesolutions.com/telemark-k ... nthesizer/

These are even more interesting since they can be integrated with each others and any eurorack systems.

[BlackWinny]

There's actually loads of hw semi-modular synths on the market today, and Korg still makes three versions of the MS-20, plus more on Kickstarter.

some examples:

http://www.makenoisemusic.com/synthesizers/ohcoast
https://www.moogmusic.com/products/semi ... /mother-32
http://pittsburghmodular.com/lifeforms-synthesizers/
http://www.dreadbox-fx.com/synthesizers/
http://analoguesolutions.com/telemark-k ... nthesizer/

These are even more interesting since they can be integrated with each others and any eurorack systems.

Yes. I focused only on the real great companies. Moog is the only one in this list. The other ones are more "regional" with much less "fame". But you're right of course.

The most important is to fix the ideas about the differences between "modular" and "semi-modular" and to make appear that the common synths known today as "semi-modular" are not semi-modular but simply synths respecting the conventional workflow from the sources (either oscillators or samples) to the output, and which are by the way generally made on a single motherboard with the consequence that if a "module" is out of order it is all the synth which is to throw into the bin.

[BlackWinny]

Beside the "semi-modular" architecture, there have been only one real invention which has been awesome to mimic the semi-modular architecture, and it is widely used today, it is an invention done by EMS : the matrix. Synths using a matrix could be somewhat qualified as "semi-modular", the difference being quite weak. By the way, in addition to the appearance of the digital components which made a huge revolution, the wide spread or the use of the matrix idea is probably one of the main reasons of the abandon of the traditional "semi-modular" architecture using the cables.

[BassMasterK]

It looks like the sale is already over. I hope that the people who were able to grab it get some good use out of it. It looked like a great deal if you were looking for such a synth.

[bronxsound]

maybe I have missed something but is that all modular mambo jambo talk something fancy and cool to do or what? htf does that even remotely relate to 10$ plug sale thread?

[.jon]

maybe I have missed something but is that all modular mambo jambo talk something fancy and cool to do or what? htf does that even remotely relate to 10$ plug sale thread?

Reading isn't for everyone, try imgur maybe?

[Nielzie]

Beside the "semi-modular" architecture, there have been only one real invention which has been awesome to mimic the semi-modular architecture, and it is widely used today, it is an invention done by EMS : the matrix. Synths using a matrix could be somewhat qualified as "semi-modular", the difference being quite weak. By the way, in addition to the appearance of the digital components which made a huge revolution, the wide spread or the use of the matrix idea is probably one of the main reasons of the abandon of the traditional "semi-modular" architecture using the cables.

I guess the modularity of a synth is pretty much defined with how much it is pre-patched internally.

[godly]

no download yet, did somebody have success?

Nope. Nothing yet and they have taken payment from PayPal. I'm not happy.

no download yet, did somebody have success?

loads of people.

Anyone not in the US?

I'm not in US and indeed no reply or serial yet.
I replied to my login message.

[elxsound]

maybe I have missed something but is that all modular mambo jambo talk something fancy and cool to do or what? htf does that even remotely relate to 10$ plug sale thread?

Reading isn't for everyone, try imgur maybe?

But why has KVR?

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[GaryG]

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