I'm sure the low frequency roll off is to stay true to real tape machines, but please consider the option of disabling it. I would love to be able to put Satin on the master for saturation and asperity without upsetting the frequency balance. That way I wouldn't have to over-compensate with redundant EQ out front, coming into compressors and distortion plugs with too much low end, etc.
Just a thought.
Thank you
Satin roll-off
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- KVRAF
- 24447 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Did you check out the DAX Neutral Tape preset? To have tape with no rolloff means to not have tape at all, so I disagree that there should be an option to remove it.
Also, Satin gets better the more you use it. Don't just put it on master and call it quits. Put one on each bus and go to town.
Also, Satin gets better the more you use it. Don't just put it on master and call it quits. Put one on each bus and go to town.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 9 posts since 7 Jun, 2013
Gonna have to disagree with you there. That implies that the only thing tape offers is a low frequency rolloff. I would like all the linear and nonlinear saturation goodness, crosstalk, etc. without the rolloff. Real tape doesn't have an auto-mute feature -- it's not against the rules to add new things. Plus, what is the disadvantage of providing the option for those that didn't mix into Satin, apply it on the master with little to no disruption to the frequency balance? It increases the usefulness of the plugin, especially for the less advanced users. You can choose not to use it.EvilDragon wrote:To have tape with no rolloff means to not have tape at all, so I disagree that there should be an option to remove it.
I do, but with each subsequent instance, the low end gets nixed more and more and more. That's even more of a reason why I would love this feature. So I either have to over-compensate ahead of time, meaning things like distorted bass have to go into distortion plugs and compressors with too much low end and get all flubby and farty, or I have to re-boost the low end afterwards.EvilDragon wrote:Also, Satin gets better the more you use it. Don't just put it on master and call it quits. Put one on each bus and go to town.
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- KVRian
- 1141 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from Berlin, Germany
Since we model the transport physics and replay-head flux, there will always be a certain amount of LF roll-off. What is observed follows the principle of electromagnetic induction. [You might already encountered less roll-off at lower speeds and most roll-off at 30ips, which is normal.]
We've had a hard time creating a model that faithfully recreates the same properties like on real-world magnetic heads, including mirror artifacts and mutual induction as functions of geometry and flux density. It's not like there's just a filter to be taken out of the way, that's not how the model works. The low-cut phenomenon is intrinsic.
However, what you can try is to check with the different pre- & post-tape EQ curves. NAB has a pre-tape LF boost, IECs are flat in that area. You can freely combine them; NAB in the post process will of course create an additional high-pass effect, maybe you don't want that.
Keeping the head bump (resonance) to a minimum also affects the low end: at the minimum setting the low-cut becomes more shallow. This behaviour is similar to loudspeaker designs: a closed housing has a 2nd-order roll-off, while a ported enclosure creates a resonance peak but drops off with a 4th-order response below (actual slope dependent on the Qtc/Thiele-Small params).
We've had a hard time creating a model that faithfully recreates the same properties like on real-world magnetic heads, including mirror artifacts and mutual induction as functions of geometry and flux density. It's not like there's just a filter to be taken out of the way, that's not how the model works. The low-cut phenomenon is intrinsic.
However, what you can try is to check with the different pre- & post-tape EQ curves. NAB has a pre-tape LF boost, IECs are flat in that area. You can freely combine them; NAB in the post process will of course create an additional high-pass effect, maybe you don't want that.
Keeping the head bump (resonance) to a minimum also affects the low end: at the minimum setting the low-cut becomes more shallow. This behaviour is similar to loudspeaker designs: a closed housing has a 2nd-order roll-off, while a ported enclosure creates a resonance peak but drops off with a 4th-order response below (actual slope dependent on the Qtc/Thiele-Small params).
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 9 posts since 7 Jun, 2013
Fair enough -- my naivete led me to believe that there was a filter that could be taken out. Thank you for responding.sascha wrote:We've had a hard time creating a model that faithfully recreates the same properties like on real-world magnetic heads, including mirror artifacts and mutual induction as functions of geometry and flux density. It's not like there's just a filter to be taken out of the way, that's not how the model works. The low-cut phenomenon is intrinsic.
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Why not isolate the bass frequencies you don't want "Satinized" and mix them back in afterwards?anstahc wrote:I either have to over-compensate ahead of time, meaning things like distorted bass have to go into distortion plugs and compressors with too much low end and get all flubby and farty, or I have to re-boost the low end afterwards.
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- KVRian
- 694 posts since 8 Apr, 2012 from planet Earth
My 5 cents to probability of this request of original poster to be done.
Urs who is the main guy at Uhe with big hate to me denied to put an option to remove noise from Satin.
So i have not big expectation your request will be done.
He asplained that desion like because real tape machines have noise with out noise it will not be tape machine. ( But the truth is: in real world for analog equipment you actualy can remove noise by 1. modifying the actual equipment 2. put it in a such room wich is absorbing radio waves 3. use clean power source to power equipment. Like portable nuclear powerplant or other tapes of clean power.).
But i think the real reason why he denied my request was he just hates me because i make the religious music of certain kind.
I think probably if the same request was asked by a big money artist he would handl that request in no time and call it as a good request or a genius request.
Urs who is the main guy at Uhe with big hate to me denied to put an option to remove noise from Satin.
So i have not big expectation your request will be done.
He asplained that desion like because real tape machines have noise with out noise it will not be tape machine. ( But the truth is: in real world for analog equipment you actualy can remove noise by 1. modifying the actual equipment 2. put it in a such room wich is absorbing radio waves 3. use clean power source to power equipment. Like portable nuclear powerplant or other tapes of clean power.).
But i think the real reason why he denied my request was he just hates me because i make the religious music of certain kind.
I think probably if the same request was asked by a big money artist he would handl that request in no time and call it as a good request or a genius request.
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- KVRAF
- 14479 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
I must admit that when I don't allow your posts to piss me off as they often do, they are very 'entertaining'.
Keep it up please
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- KVRAF
- 4811 posts since 21 Jan, 2008 from oO
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- KVRAF
- 4265 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
I think the UHe guys could perhaps be Atomkraft Nein Danke kind of guys so that is probably why they are all conspiring so fervently against you chilly 
