KVR Audio

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:50 pm

I am trying to consolidate the Specs for 40” [edit: max 43" diagonal] 4k (3840x2160) TV or monitor
Please add or make corrections or suggestions.

1. Flat but will consider curved

2. Should support 100% of sRGB and be capable of 60 Hz refresh with 4:4:4 color subsampling. Not sure where to look for this. I need to be able to Calibrate.

3. Support HDMI 2.0, 60hz @ 4k at either full RGB or 4:4:4 chroma.

4. Low input latency. Under 50ms is fine for desktop use. Under 35ms is generally fine for gaming. Samsungs are 20-25ms, which seem to be the best so far.

5. UHD Upscaling picture

6. Edit: Prefer High Dynamic Range (HDR) but my GTX 970 video card may not handle it
And in any case may not be essential for Photoshop work and certainly not required
for audio work.

7. Expanded Color Gamut

8. Vesa mount

9. LED preferred. Back lit rather than edge lit.

10. Wifi and Smart TV not important

11. Avoid super slim and energy savers.

Edit: added 12. Prefer mat rather than glossy surface.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:01 am

HDR not compatible with current computer video cards, only latest game consoles and onboard channels like Netflix. Double your budget if you want HDR for console use and get a ks7000 or ks8000 series.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:45 am

wickfut wrote:HDR not compatible with current computer video cards, only latest game consoles and onboard channels like Netflix. Double your budget if you want HDR for console use and get a ks7000 or ks8000 series.

I will also be using this TV for Photoshop work. I generally print the images. So having an HDR TV may not be essential? Do all the TV’s have access so to calibrate the colors? In any case my GTX 970 video card may not support HDR.

Went to Best Buy. 43” is a more popular size for 4K. I just checked and can make the space to fit a TV 39” x 23”, absolute max. This will allow a 43” TV with a narrow bezel to fit.

I was told At BB that sales happen all the time but new sales start on Sunday morning. Big sales coming up for Super Bowl, February 5. I missed all the TV Black Friday sales as I was chasing software deals. I can wait for super bowl, or actually a week or two before.

Note: I revised the specs in my above post.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:54 pm

The reason was looking for a new monitor is that my 28" was having issues.
It no longer has issues it just will not turn on. It's old and it died. Not worth fixing
though I will open it up to see if there are any loose wires.

Now using a 19" monitor and am sure you understand how this hurts. I am becoming
desperate for the 40"-43" 4k.

So please post any deals that you come across.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:45 pm

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-40- ... Id=5069100

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:25 pm

wickfut wrote:http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-40- ... Id=5069100

IIRC that model was offerd for $299 over the holidays. Too bad I missed it.

I am now looking at UN40KU6300 40” 4K with HDR
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Samsung-UN40 ... 3=&veh=sem
But I am looking for a deal to save some money or get something better.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:47 pm

that set doesn't have HDR. It has marketing fake Samsung HDR. It isn't the same as HDR10 as it doesn't have a 10bit panel for the true HDR10 colour gamut. It has a 8bit panel like most monitors and a colour range in the millions rather than billions. That HDR is something called HDR+ which you can switch on and off in the menu, which you won't really be able to use anyway as you'll be using the TV's PC mode which turns off all the image processing for all the fake shit like this.

Don't get me wrong. The TV will work great as a monitor and the colours/clarity will amaze you on a 4k vs a regular monitor or TV, but HDR10 starts with the KS7000/KS8000/KS9000 $1000+ TV and not the budget ones which cost less than $500. 10 bit panels start with the KU7000 I think.

Last.. If you're coming from a photography background, HDR on TV isn't the same as HDR in photography. HDR in photography is taking two shots with different contrast ratios and merging them together so you can see brights and darks side by side without blooming. HDR TV is when the backlight can go much higher than a regular set while still showing black on the image and with the 10bit panel makes the colours pop more. I've watched a few HDR10 shows on netflix and don't really see what the fuss is about as it just turns everything up to "dazzle" mode.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:02 pm

wickfut wrote:that set doesn't have HDR. It has marketing fake Samsung HDR. It isn't the same as HDR10 as it doesn't have a 10bit panel for the true HDR10 colour gamut. It has a 8bit panel like most monitors and a colour range in the millions rather than billions. That HDR is something called HDR+ which you can switch on and off in the menu, which you won't really be able to use anyway as you'll be using the TV's PC mode which turns off all the image processing for all the fake shit like this.

Don't get me wrong. The TV will work great as a monitor and the colours/clarity will amaze you on a 4k vs a regular monitor or TV, but HDR10 starts with the KS7000/KS8000/KS9000 $1000+ TV and not the budget ones which cost less than $500.

Last.. If you're coming from a photography background, HDR on TV isn't the same as HDR in photography. HDR in photography is taking two shots with different contrast ratios and merging them together so you can see brights and darks side by side without blooming. HDR TV is when the backlight can go much higher than a regular set while still showing black on the image and with the 10bit panel makes the colours pop more. I've watched a few HDR10 shows on netflix and don't really see what the fuss is about as it just turns everything up to "dazzle" mode.

Wow. Thanks for the detailed info. This was very helpful!

Ok now that HDR is out of the picture (kinda of punny but not intended) I can go back to finding a deal.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:52 pm

Is your Photoshop use just for previewing, or doing actual color critical work on it? The largest extended gamut, acceptable quality panels I'm aware of are 32" and these are all well over 1K eur.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:53 pm

.jon wrote:Is your Photoshop use just for previewing, or doing actual color critical work on it? The largest extended gamut, acceptable quality panels I'm aware of are 32" and these are all well over 1K eur.

I do not work wish flesh tones or nature scenes.I do mostly abstract. My cheap 28" Hanns-G has been quite accurate when when compared to a printed image.

I was wondering about the color gamut so thanks for chiming in. My printer has a large Mac screen and I gotta say my images do look better on his expensive screen.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:05 pm

$300 at Sams Club. Just a bit too big for my set up.
I am not a member so add $45 for membership.
LG 43UH6030 43" 4K UHD Smart LED TV w/ webOS 3.0
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/43-uhd-sma ... 96&veh=sem

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:13 pm

Kalamata Kid wrote:$300 at Sams Club. Just a bit too big for my set up.
I am not a member so add $45 for membership.
LG 43UH6030 43" 4K UHD Smart LED TV w/ webOS 3.0
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/43-uhd-sma ... 96&veh=sem

it's shit. Why bother posting a little list of needs if you're going to just ignore everything and buy the cheapest you see?

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:56 pm

wickfut wrote:
Kalamata Kid wrote:$300 at Sams Club. Just a bit too big for my set up.
I am not a member so add $45 for membership.
LG 43UH6030 43" 4K UHD Smart LED TV w/ webOS 3.0
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/43-uhd-sma ... 96&veh=sem
it's shit. Why bother posting a little list of needs if you're going to just ignore everything and buy the cheapest you see?

It's that bad? It was too big so I did not look at the specs.
I posted the link as this was $100 lees then elsewhere.
https://www.google.com/search?q=LG+43UH ... e&ie=UTF-8
I thought that LG was a good brand and as good as Samsung. No?
Let me know.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:27 pm

the low end LG 4k TV's aren't real 4k. They have shared subpixels. ie, in a normal TV the colours will be like

RGB | RGB | RGB |
RGB | RGB | RGB |

in a low end LG TV they will be

RG | BW | RG | BW
RG | BW | RG | BW

so in a regular 4k TV each pixel will have all 3 colours of RGB. In LGs RGBW display each pixel will have 2 colours, one will have only red and green, the other will only have blue and white. I'm sure you can see a problem with this when it tries to display red green or blue text as only 1 of the 2 pixels will be turned on.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:35 pm

wickfut wrote:the low end LG 4k TV's aren't real 4k. They have shared subpixels. ie, in a normal TV the colours will be like

RGB | RGB | RGB |
RGB | RGB | RGB |

in a low end LG TV they will be

RG | BW | RG | BW
RG | BW | RG | BW

so in a regular 4k TV each pixel will have all 3 colours of RGB. In LGs RGBW display each pixel will have 2 colours, one will have only red and green, the other will only have blue and white. I'm sure you can see a problem with this when it tries to display red green or blue text as only 1 of the 2 pixels will be turned on.

Thanks for the explanation.
Is this somehow noted in the specs so I can avoid such TV's.
This very important as I will be within three feet of the image.
Are there brands that do not do this.

Which 4k monitor to get