KVR Audio

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:38 pm

I'm sure I've told you which ones I believe to be the best for a monitor about 2-3 times already.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:44 pm

wickfut wrote:I'm sure I've told you which ones I believe to be the best for a monitor about 2-3 times already.

I hope that I am not the only benefiting from your experience and recommendations.

The way I see it you recommended Samsung KU6xx0 40" and 43" which may be in my price range. Hope I did not miss any others.

Samsung - 40" Class (40" Diag.) - LED - 2160p - Smart - 4K Ultra HD TV – Black
Model: UN40KU6300FXZA currently $500
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-40- ... o1I75FyXqQ

I will stick with your recommendations and wait for a sale.

Did you calibrate your monitor? Just asking out of curiosity.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:24 pm

Have you searched any of the TVs for reviews, or searched with other keywords like "as pc monitor" or "gaming tv" etc?
If you do, and you should, you'll find that near every review site highly rates the current samsungs for a pc monitor until you hit the LG OLED price range.

re: calibration. don't see the point of paying some guy to come in and set your tv to reference levels. Your eyes adjust to different brightness, contrasts and colours anyway and the calibration would need the room to have the exact same sunlight levels in to remain accurate. Also, seems a bit of a waste when I only use Cubase and the odd game of Dark Souls/Division and net browsing whatever.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:07 am

wickfut wrote:Have you searched any of the TVs for reviews, or searched with other keywords like "as pc monitor" or "gaming tv" etc?
If you do, and you should, you'll find that near every review site highly rates the current samsungs for a pc monitor until you hit the LG OLED price range.

re: calibration. don't see the point of paying some guy to come in and set your tv to reference levels. Your eyes adjust to different brightness, contrasts and colours anyway and the calibration would need the room to have the exact same sunlight levels in to remain accurate. Also, seems a bit of a waste when I only use Cubase and the odd game of Dark Souls/Division and net browsing whatever.

I have spent many hours doing research online. Started with what is 4k? So I have come a long way in part to your effort. Did not notice that "every review site highly rates the current samsungs for a pc monitor" so thanks for pointing this out. Now that I have learned a few things the reviews are beginning to make more sense.

For audio work calibrating the monitor makes little if any sense. I was asking mostly for my Photoshop work. What I will do is what I did before. Since I am primarily concerned about the printed image, is to print a few images and see what I get.

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:37 am

Oh sweet baby Jesus. That's hot.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:33 am

Regarding HDMI cable:
https://hardforum.com/threads/2015-sams ... e.1869675/
I should get 18 Gbps HDMI cable.

I need 12 feet long. Get this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12FT-ULTRA-HD-2 ... xykVNRsOBs
Or use the current 5 year old cable and see how well it does.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:44 am

wickfut wrote:Samsung KU6xx0 do both 40" and 43".

I could only find two Samsung 4k TV's that fit the "KU6xx0"
available in the US.

40" Class KU6300 4K UHD TV, UN40KU6300FXZA

43" Class KU6300 4K UHD TV, UN43KU6300FXZA

Did I miss any?

I leaning more towards the 43".
This model will fit.

Now to wait for a big sale.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:24 am

Kalamata Kid wrote:
wickfut wrote:Samsung KU6xx0 do both 40" and 43".
I could only find two Samsung 4k TV's that fit the "KU6xx0"
available in the US.

40" Class KU6300 4K UHD TV, UN40KU6300FXZA

43" Class KU6300 4K UHD TV, UN43KU6300FXZA

Did I miss any?

I leaning more towards the 43".
This model will fit.

Now to wait for a big sale.

I'm in the UK so don't know what they call the US versions. I know the UK KU6400 is US KU7000 , the UK KS7000 in US is KS8000 etc. This is the bit you're going to have to do yourself.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:37 am

Codestation wrote:
Oh sweet baby Jesus. That's hot.

I don't see a need to watch 10 synth windows at the same time

. Maybe makes sense for effect chains. For Ableton user it's only interesting to see many tracks in Session View (horizontal) and Arrangement View (vertical).

risome · Post by **risome** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:44 am

I have a Samsung 4K monitor as my second monitor 27" .You don't need high refresh rates for audio work only gaming and video production .The hi res screen in audio will be easier on your eyes for periods of long work.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:52 am

DJ Warmonger wrote: I don't see a need to watch 10 synth windows at the same time . Maybe makes sense for effect chains. For Ableton user it's only interesting to see many tracks in Session View (horizontal) and Arrangement View (vertical).

it was to show what size the vst instruments GUI were in relation to the rest of the screen , not how to watch 10 synths at once.

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:13 pm

Quick question .... since you are a Cubase user. Do you find that the dialog box text and the midi insert effects are at a readable size? The arranger and mixer are scaleable so that shouldn't be a problem. I am just wondering about the other parts of Cubase which are not optimized for 4K screens.

Thanks for posting the picture... it gives a sense of scale which is what you were going for.

wickfut wrote:
DJ Warmonger wrote: I don't see a need to watch 10 synth windows at the same time . Maybe makes sense for effect chains. For Ableton user it's only interesting to see many tracks in Session View (horizontal) and Arrangement View (vertical).
it was to show what size the vst instruments GUI were in relation to the rest of the screen , not how to watch 10 synths at once.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:14 pm

Talking about 4K monitors, here are some that qualify imho:

* Focal SM9
* Adam S3X-H
* Amphion Two15
* Genelec 8240A

4k$ that is...

Sorry, I'll get my coat

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:53 pm

Kalamata Kid wrote:
wickfut wrote: re: calibration. don't see the point of paying some guy to come in and set your tv to reference levels. Your eyes adjust to different brightness, contrasts and colours anyway and the calibration would need the room to have the exact same sunlight levels in to remain accurate. Also, seems a bit of a waste when I only use Cubase and the odd game of Dark Souls/Division and net browsing whatever.

For audio work calibrating the monitor makes little if any sense. I was asking mostly for my Photoshop work. What I will do is what I did before. Since I am primarily concerned about the printed image, is to print a few images and see what I get.

Monitor calibration with a colorimeter is a crucial part of a color-managed workflow, the idea is to adjust the colours your monitor displays so that they more or less resemble the colours your camera captured/the colours in the files you received. And you have better hopes of the colours printing as you see them, keeping the printing technology caveats in mind.

The results of calibration depend on the quality of the monitor, doing it on some cheap ass TV may subjectively improve the image you see, but it will still most likely deviate from standards in channel-independent manner (ie reds may be more off than greens for example).

Calibration results in a more neutral image, which is pretty nice for all computer use, especially for watching films/series, but for non-professional graphics use knowing how the colours translate should suffice (just like with studio monitors), unless your monitor has some very strong colour cast.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:31 am

.jon wrote:
Kalamata Kid wrote:
wickfut wrote: re: calibration. don't see the point of paying some guy to come in and set your tv to reference levels. Your eyes adjust to different brightness, contrasts and colours anyway and the calibration would need the room to have the exact same sunlight levels in to remain accurate. Also, seems a bit of a waste when I only use Cubase and the odd game of Dark Souls/Division and net browsing whatever.

For audio work calibrating the monitor makes little if any sense. I was asking mostly for my Photoshop work. What I will do is what I did before. Since I am primarily concerned about the printed image, is to print a few images and see what I get.
Monitor calibration with a colorimeter is a crucial part of a color-managed workflow, the idea is to adjust the colours your monitor displays so that they more or less resemble the colours your camera captured/the colours in the files you received. And you have better hopes of the colours printing as you see them, keeping the printing technology caveats in mind.

The results of calibration depend on the quality of the monitor, doing it on some cheap ass TV may subjectively improve the image you see, but it will still most likely deviate from standards in channel-independent manner (ie reds may be more off than greens for example).

Calibration results in a more neutral image, which is pretty nice for all computer use, especially for watching films/series, but for non-professional graphics use knowing how the colours translate should suffice (just like with studio monitors), unless your monitor has some very strong colour cast.

On the 28" monitor that just died the only thing I had to do is turn down the monitor brightness as my images we printing a bit dark. This forced me to brighten my images in Photoshop. They printed a bit brighter and they look great. The color could be a bit better but I believe it was more my fault than the monitor's.

Which 4k monitor to get