Early Pink Floyd

[Alan Lastufka]

ah, the concept album - I have been working on a rock opera/concept album for some time and they are tricky - to get songs that can stand on their own - but also be part of a whole without repetition becoming a problem.

This is why I have so much respect/love for Roger Waters, especially his solo stuff - Final Cut is great - but man, take a listen to Pros+Cons or Amused to Death - or Music From the Body (hehe) or Radio KAOS - okay - you get the picture

Can'tWAIT for Ca Ira, it should just be the thing to get me to walk into a CD shop again... it's been a while since I've had a reason to...

[xoxos]

I couldn't care if they were funded by AT&T and managed by the tri-lateral commission. I judge music on the way it sounds, and disliking music because of why it was made makes no more sense than liking music because of why it was made.

i always get this sense of them "let's play it cool and this will pay off" so ime intent translates thru the medium. "we're talented musicians, let's profit!"

the entire medium of the 'classic rock era..' it's not classic, it's when the music industry started to cut it's teeth by convincing an entire generation that their product is intrinsic to their life experience.

sure, it's cool to listen to sounds and nice songs, but face it, listening to an album isn't a "concept," it's a way of keeping yourself out of trouble. where people get the notion that listening is about collections that fit the temporal formatting for whatever the contemporary recording medium is beyond me.. it's like industrial people can't listen to a f**king bird tweeting outside the window, but you put it on a record, they'll shell out $50.

imo, a song is an expression of the spirit regardless of trapping. a sound is dense and rich with harmonics even if you can't make it come out of the speakers exactly like the first time.

you see the thing is, the last 50 years have people believing in magical crystalline abstract forms created by replaying recordings. it's quite beyond me how people have albums they can listen to dozens of times unless they've got some trauma or dementia, eg. industrial environmental limiting.

oc you've got people who are proud of how well they can decide if a recording is worth listening to many times! that's what industry is.. suck our cocks, they are the most delicious cocks.. remain totally convinced that sucking the same cock over and over because it is quality cock will do you good...

oc most people i'm sure are less disagreeable to their ambient constants.

but hey, let's agree to disagree in the subjective sphere :) important thing is not to "keep talking" but to know you can be heard if you need to.

[Doug Nelson]

Ok, I find a lot of the earliest PF stuff...childish. There, I said it. My question is, how self-concious was it? Was it childish because that's what they liked, or was it more reflexive than that? I mean, the 60s tended to worship "child-like", but Syd and the gang took that to extremes.

To this day I have trouble picturing the architecture school boys actually enjoying Bike and See Emily Play.

[xoxos]

Ok, I find a lot of the earliest PF stuff...childish.

children often see the entire picture instead of whichever part they have been trained to pay attention to by compound experience :p

architecture students are often just kids who have displayed proficiency at holding a pencil (direct experience)

[Big Tick]

There are PF songs that can move me like nothing else:
Time, Welcome to the Machine, Comfortably Numb, ... These tracks speak directly to my heart. That's the floyd's magic.

'Tick

[Doug Nelson]

I used to have "Welcome to the machine" as my answering machine message. But I got complaints, so I changed it. This was in the pre-digital answering machine era, so maybe I should try it again with better sound quality.

[Sicklecell666]

I used to have "Welcome to the machine" as my answering machine message. But I got complaints, so I changed it. This was in the pre-digital answering machine era, so maybe I should try it again with better sound quality.

I used to have Diamanda Galas on mine from the Black Mass album..hehe..that one crawled right up ppl's asses, I can tell you that much

[Doug Nelson]

Now that you have me thinking about it, I'd probably go with the chorus from NIN's "Closer" today.

[Squids]

The most important thing is the music. I agree with that. It doesn't matter if they know they are going to do well with it or the record company does etc. If the music stays good then... GREAT! More good stuff to listen to as far as I am concerned.

They had a sense of humor and sarcasm about the "corporate band" the music industry wanted them to be shown in the lyrics of "Money" and "Have A Cigar".

I love Pink Floyd and even without Waters (and also Waters without them) I went to see the concerts being very HAPPY to have the opportunity since I never saw them all play together before. Excellent shows too! I bought the new albums. They don't move me like the old ones and while there are some cool sounds and production elements, I find it to be less "authentic" perhaps.

Another Squids story coming on here... just thought of it, maybe it's of interest. A guy I used to play with was in a band called Toy Matinee with Patrick Leonard. Also in the band was Guy Pratt on bass who played with the new Floyd. Toy Matinee had a few hits mostly on the west coast but the band broke up IRONICALLY because Patrick was offered to produce AMUSED TO DEATH for Roger Waters!!! So he left to do that and that's why that band broke up.

Another ironic thing I thought is that the new Pink Floyd's keyboardist Jon Carin (sp?) recently went to "the other side of the moon" and toured with Waters. He was showing off even more talent with Waters because he sang DOGS from Animals brilliantly and played guitar as well as keys.

I'd love to have a gig playing with either of them. But, I must admit that if I was Patrick I would have thought I could make another WALL with Waters. Oh well. I am curious to hear a new Opera though from him. I wonder what that will be like.

[fake]

Ok, I find a lot of the earliest PF stuff...childish. There, I said it. My question is, how self-concious was it? Was it childish because that's what they liked, or was it more reflexive than that? I mean, the 60s tended to worship "child-like", but Syd and the gang took that to extremes.

To this day I have trouble picturing the architecture school boys actually enjoying Bike and See Emily Play.

The 60's I think reflected the fact that lsd and drugs were becoming popular and there was a boom in new music styles.

You just have to listen to early 60's stuff to notice a sudden change.
Bike is a dam site better than Benny Hill's "Earnie". Christ that got to no 1!


fake


There was also a lot of pretensious shite around at the time.

[Doug Nelson]

I'll admit (and I did at length in another thread) that not doing drugs might have put me at a disadvantage, especially for the early music. Bike might be brilliant on LSD, but I'll never know

But, as I said, I don't care what the reason is for making music. If I like it, I like it (and vice versa).

[Doug Nelson]

I relistened to some of the old stuff today, prompted by this thread. IMO, Echoes announced the birth of the real PF, and influenced my own personal taste for 30 years.

Andrew Lloyd Weber liked it, too

[justified]

Title "Echoes" also is a well-suitable name for what they did after "Echoes".

PS, sorry for being naughty.

[vurt]

Ok, I find a lot of the earliest PF stuff...childish. There, I said it. My question is, how self-concious was it? Was it childish because that's what they liked, or was it more reflexive than that? I mean, the 60s tended to worship "child-like", but Syd and the gang took that to extremes.

To this day I have trouble picturing the architecture school boys actually enjoying Bike and See Emily Play.

i wouldnt say it was a concious thing for syd at least,and yes its is sad that rogers friendship with syd wa torn apart.but anyway syd is still childlike even now lost in his own little world,not even knowing he is still a hero/star to many

[ksn]

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