Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[electro]

Once reason it should be a relatively simple project for Synapse. I'm sure the VCF on the Memorymoog is the same as the Model D. If Legend's audio engine already gets you to 4 voices, doubling the CPU load would get you to six. I personally don't need a polyphonic Minimoog.

[Ingonator]

So many seem to want polyphony out of the the Mini. How many would be interested in a Synapse 6 Voice Memorymoog?

Its not really different enought from a mini to be of use (to me). I'd rather see a completely different synth.

BUT a Memorymoog IS much different. Besides additional features like e.g. Osc Sync and adjustable PW + PWM only the filter in the Memorymoog is by Moog, the rest are CEM chips (e.g. Curtis CEM 3340 for the Oscs) while in a Minimoog this is a discrete design. Besides 3 Oscs (which is VERY rare with hardware polyphonic analogs, could be even the ONLY one) it also has a dedicated LFO.
It looks like in the Oscs you could acticate multiple waveforms at once like e.g. in the Prophet 5. The waveshapes for all 3 Oscs are Saw, Triangle and variable Pulse.
The Memorymoog also seems to have an Unison mode dor it's 6 voices.
A more or less limited mod matrix seems to be included too where the LFO, Osc 3 and the filter envelope are available as mod sources (comparable to the Prophet 5).
The LFO could, be routed to Osc 1-3 pitch, Osc 1-3 PW and the filtre. OSc 3 and the filter enveloep coudl be routed to Osc 1+2 pitch, Osc 1+2 PW and the filter so besides FM and filter FM you could also do audio rate PWM (like in Prophet 5 and Pro One).

More or less the Memorymoog is like having a Prophet 5 with a 3rd OSc and a Moog 24dB/oct Lowpass filter. One of the advanced versions also seemed to include a sequencer + an Arpeggiator.

Not t forget a real Memorymoog costs around 10000+ € at the moment (recentyl tehrewas one aroudn 12000 €). So if Richard needs a ral one for teh development this could get really expensive. Of course there would be an option tha someone lends him one for the time of development.

Anyway having a proper Memorymoog emulation would be really cool, even better than a Prophet 5 IMO.
For sure one of the best vintage analog polysynths (i would still say that the Oberheim Matrix-12 is the ultimate vintage analog polysynth also due to huge amount of filter modes and modulation options).
Maybe for some people te sound you get from this would be too fat...

[electro]

So Memorymoog is not as simple as I thought. I still would not put something like that above a P5 emulation and Arturia already did the Matrix-12 / Xpander.

[Ingonator]

So Memorymoog is not as simple as I thought. I still would not put something like that above a P5 emulation and Arturia already did the Matrix-12 / Xpander.

Opposing to teh different sound of teh filter actually teh Memorymoog is an advanced version of the Prophet 5 and except the filter they mostly seem to share the same CEM chips being used:

Memorymoog: 19x CEM3340 VCO, 26x CEM3360 Dual VCA, 12x CEM3310 EG

Prophet-5 Rev 3: 11x CEM3340 VCO, 10x CEM3310 EG, 5x CEM3320 VCF, 14x CA3280 VCA

The Prophet 5 Rev 1+2 was a bit different as ít used SSM chips:
11x SSM2030 VCO, 5x SSM2040 VCF, 10x SSM2050 EG, 21x SSM2020 VCA

So i someone would model the Rev 1 or 2 (which some say sounds superior) it would be different indeed.

[egbert101]

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[Ingonator]

I thought it would be good to split this into a new post.

Herer are 8 videos about different parts/features of the Moog Memorymoog:

2 videos about the Memorymoog oscillators and filter:




6 more about other features:

[AnX]

Once reason it should be a relatively simple project for Synapse. I'm sure the VCF on the Memorymoog is the same as the Model D. If Legend's audio engine already gets you to 4 voices, doubling the CPU load would get you to six. I personally don't need a polyphonic Minimoog.

You wont like a memorymoog emulation then.

[AnX]

...but enough of the bollox...and now back to the o.p.

Legend vst...

[Ingonator]

...but enough of the bollox...and now back to the o.p.

Legend vst...

Speaking about both The Legend and Memorymoog there is one of m factory presets called "Memory Brass IW" in the Poly sub-folder. While not intended as a proper replication it is inspired by the Memorymoog.
From the vintage analog polysynths the Memorymoog was the only one with 3 Oscs and with The Legend (and some other Minimoog emulations also including e.g. Diva which additionally adds Sync and morphable Oscs in the Minimoog Oscs) you could get this too. Recently also the PolyKB III plugin was released that adds a 3rd morphable Osc which in that way (opposing to the VERY rare Polykobol 2) never existed as a hardware synth (like the multimode filter added with this major update). Besides the 3 Oscs the sound seems to be really different. I was not able to get really similar sounds with The Legend and PolyKB III at comparable settings.

As mentioend above the polyphonic Minimoog is not exactly like a Memorymoog but it could sound really great and super fat on it's own. The fact that in the poly mode of The Legend you could also set the stereo width is another great addition.

The Legend opposing to a real Mini and also teh Memorymoog also includes a 2-Pole (12dB/oct) filter mode that could be very useful and could get you more "oberheimish" sounds. My other poly Brass sound in the factory content called "Fat Poly Brass IW" uses the 12dB filter mode. In that preset the volume of the 3rd soc is set to 0 but it is activated and you coudl dial this in to get an even fatter sound (Osc 3 is set one octave lower than Osc 1+2). If you like you could also increase the stereo spread which is at a small amount in that preset.

One of the features of the Memorymoog that could not be emulated in a polyphonic Mini (besides e.g. Osc Sync, PWM, audio rate PWM etc.) is using up to 9 waveforms in a single voice as in the Memorymoog like in a Prophet 5 you could switch on all waveforms at once.


UPDATE:
Here is an updated version of my "Fat Poly Brass IW" factory preset for The Legend with Osc 3 dialed in (at a volume of 7.00) and the stereo spread slightly increased (to 2.00):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 2%20IW.zip

In Windows the preset files are found at:
C:\Users\Your Name\Documents\Synapse Audio\Legend\Soundbanks
You could create your own folders there that then should appear in the list at the GUI.

[ENV1]

From the vintage analog polysynths the Memorymoog was the only one with 3 Oscs...

KORG PS-3300?

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PS: Dream Synth. Sure would like to spend a weekend or two with this one...

[Ingonator]

From the vintage analog polysynths the Memorymoog was the only one with 3 Oscs...

KORG PS-3300?

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PS: Dream Synth. Sure would like to spend a weekend or two with this one...

The Moog Memorymoog is a really unique polysynth and as already mentioned not directly comparable to the Minimoog (while like the Mini it uses a Moog 24dB/oct Lowpass filter).

AFAIk the Korg PS synths used divide down technology (like e.g the Polymoog or the very old Hammond Novachord) so no fully polyphonic voice architecture. The "real" polysynths like e.g. Memorymoog, Prophet 5, Jupiter 8, Synthex, Korg Polysix and Oberheim OB-8/Xa used multiple voice cards including Oscs and the filter for each voice.
So the Memorymoog stays the only vintage one that has 3 dedicated Oscs for each voice and as each Osc like in a Prophet 5 could use all waveforms at once up to 9 waveforms at once for a single note/voice.

The only "real" poyphonic synths by Moog after the Memorymoog were the poly-chains of the Slim Phatty (+ Little Phatty) and Minimoog Voyager (i posted videos about the Slim Phatty poly-chain here at page 74). There were also racks of te Voyager called Minimoog Voyager RME.

The Korg Poly-800 only had a single filter chip included so is more paraphonic than polyphonic. The hybrid DW-8000 (i got one of those here...) had 8 filter chips, one for each voice, so is "real" polyphonic (and also has an Unison mode that plays all 8 voices at once).

[ENV1]

AFAIk the PS synths used divide down technology so no fully polyphonic voice architecture. So the Memorymoog stays the only vintage one that has 3 dedicated Oscs for each voice...

Well id say thats a matter of interpretation. To my knowledge it is true that the modules employ octave dividers in order to deliver the full 48 voice polyphony, but still one module has 6 individual voice cards with 2 voices each, which means you still have 12 individual voices in there.

So in my interpretation it does qualify as a polyphonic 3-osc synth.

[fmr]

AFAIk the PS synths used divide down technology so no fully polyphonic voice architecture. So the Memorymoog stays the only vintage one that has 3 dedicated Oscs for each voice...

Well id say thats a matter of interpretation. To my knowledge it is true that the modules employ octave dividers in order to deliver the full 48 voice polyphony, but still one module has 6 individual voice cards with 2 voices each, which means you still have 12 individual voices in there.

So in my interpretation it does qualify as a polyphonic 3-osc synth.

Ah... The PS-3300 . Such an original synth. I can't understand why nobody did pick this one yet. So many Prophets and Moogs emulated, even the MS series, and none of these Korg masterpieces

Now that I already have a Matrix-12, the ones I'd like to see are the PS series and the Trident

Actually, I think the architecture is even more complex than what you are saying: http://secretlifeofsynthesizers.com/kor ... polysynth/

Each module is a complete synth, with osc, filter and modulators. The filter even has three separated resonators, which allows it to work as a kind of formant filter. Nothing like that was around then, and even many years later.

[EvilDragon]

Ah... The PS-3300 . Such an original synth. I can't understand why nobody did pick this one yet. So many Prophets and Moogs emulated, even the MS series, and none of these Korg masterpieces

I know. It is EXTREMELY hard to find one freely available for circuit modeling... they're as rare as hen's teeth, and even if you find them, they're ridiculously expensive (probably in Schmidt 8 Voice area)...

[fmr]

Ah... The PS-3300 . Such an original synth. I can't understand why nobody did pick this one yet. So many Prophets and Moogs emulated, even the MS series, and none of these Korg masterpieces

I know. It is EXTREMELY hard to find one freely available for circuit modeling... they're as rare as hen's teeth, and even if you find them, they're ridiculously expensive (probably in Schmidt 8 Voice area)...

Considering the small amount that was manufactured, I can imagine. But then, the PS-3100 has exactly the same circuits (with just one synth card, instead of three). And the PS-3200, while different, is somehow simlar in terms oif philosophy. These may be easier to find and less expensive. I would already be very happy with a kind of 3300 using the circuits of the 3200

EDIT: The 3200 lacks the resonators But it has en equalizer (not a replacemente, I know), and two independent oscillators in the card, and the envelope is a ful ADSR (the 3100/3300 is ADS(D) like the Mini. There was(is?) one or sale for circa $10000 here: https://reverb.com/item/296970-korg-ps- ... y-serviced

In last November, a PS-3300 was auctioned by 24.755 GBP (at current rate, it means circa 28.300 EUR) . 15 years ago, we could have this for like 3.000 (if we could find one).

KVR user Axis1~SL61 wrote in May 12, 2009 that he has a Korg PS-3100 http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3580274