License model no way !!!

[starflakeprj]

It's funny to read all the Bitwig fans trying to whitewash Bitwig's new business model. I get the same vibes as when the Apple fan boys claimed the SMS feature in the first iPhone wasn't needed. Instead the Bitwig fans claims you can always wait to upgrade until Bitwig releases a new feature you want.

Sure, it's true, but what if I actually want to have a constantly fully updated Bitwig, both feature wise and bug wise? But I can always email instead of sending an SMS, right guys?

[rod_zero]

meanwhile im just waiting til bitwig fits my needs then opt in from 1.0 to 3.0(or maybe 4.0) for the update license price.

Meanwhile Live users got significant .X updates, as was Live 9.5 without paying more.

Meanwhile Live users also got email and phone support for the full 4 years.

[anttimaatteri]

meanwhile im just waiting til bitwig fits my needs then opt in from 1.0 to 3.0(or maybe 4.0) for the update license price.

Meanwhile Live users got significant .X updates, as was Live 9.5 without paying more.

Meanwhile Live users also got email and phone support for the full 4 years.

meanwhile i work on a new track with my push1 on ableton live9...and switch to bitwig whenever it pleases.

but, you dont give up, half point o nthat tbh...but nonetheless it remains a normal waarghlblaarg huffpuff rant

[anttimaatteri]

It's funny to read all the Bitwig fans trying to whitewash Bitwig's new business model. I get the same vibes as when the Apple fan boys claimed the SMS feature in the first iPhone wasn't needed. Instead the Bitwig fans claims you can always wait to upgrade until Bitwig releases a new feature you want.

Sure, it's true, but what if I actually want to have a constantly fully updated Bitwig, both feature wise and bug wise? But I can always email instead of sending an SMS, right guys?

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: What's your name, scumbag?
Private Snowball: Sir, Private Brown, sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Bullshit! From now on you're Private Snowball. Do you like that name?
Private Snowball: Sir, yes, sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Well there's one thing that you won't like, Private Snowball: they don't serve fried chicken and watermelon on a daily basis in my mess hall.
Private Snowball: Sir, yes, sir!

[mevla]

meanwhile im just waiting til bitwig fits my needs then opt in from 1.0 to 3.0(or maybe 4.0) for the update license price.

Meanwhile Live users got significant .X updates, as was Live 9.5 without paying more.

Meanwhile Live users also got email and phone support for the full 4 years.

Then what are you doing here ?

[krixa]

One question: How will reselling licenses work out after the release of Bitwig 2.0?

One thought: If we pay in advance for 12 months of upgrades, will we get the changelog for the next 12 months in advance too?

[starflakeprj]

One thought: If we pay in advance for 12 months of upgrades, will we get the changelog for the next 12 months in advance too?

I like how you think!

[mevla]

One question: How will reselling licenses work out after the release of Bitwig 2.0?

One thought: If we pay in advance for 12 months of upgrades, will we get the changelog for the next 12 months in advance too?

When you buy any software you are entitled to upgrades. Do you get their changelog in advance ? Please state which company does so.

[digitalfix]

One thought: If we pay in advance for 12 months of upgrades, will we get the changelog for the next 12 months in advance too?

I like how you think!

Seriously?

Every piece of software you buy, you buy on faith that the bugs get fixed. How is this different?

[starflakeprj]

One thought: If we pay in advance for 12 months of upgrades, will we get the changelog for the next 12 months in advance too?

I like how you think!

Seriously?

Every piece of software you buy, you buy on faith that the bugs get fixed. How is this different?

Yes, Seriously!

I didn't say that's how it should be. What I meant was that it would be really nice. Some developers have roadmaps, which is similar, but not in detail. A roadmap of the coming features within the next 12 months would be awesome, especially since Bitwig promised online collaboration and the modular system would come in version 2.0. Now it won't be available upon release, how can we trust they will add this within the coming 12 months?

[krixa]

Seriously?

Every piece of software you buy, you buy on faith that the bugs get fixed. How is this different?

When you buy any software you are entitled to upgrades. Do you get their changelog in advance ? Please state which company does so.

All depends on how you see it. Either we pay for 2.0 and the features announced and have the mind set that it's worth the money alone. The next 12 months of updates is additional to this, free.

Or. You pay whenever you feel to, and what you get the next 12 months is like an exciting lottery

[digitalfix]

One thought: If we pay in advance for 12 months of upgrades, will we get the changelog for the next 12 months in advance too?

I like how you think!

Seriously?

Every piece of software you buy, you buy on faith that the bugs get fixed. How is this different?

Yes, Seriously!

I didn't say that's how it should be. What I meant was that it would be really nice. Some developers have roadmaps, which is similar, but not in detail. A roadmap of the coming features within the next 12 months would be awesome, especially since Bitwig promised online collaboration and the modular system would come in version 2.0. Now it won't be available upon release, how can we trust they will add this within the coming 12 months?

When did they say that those will be in V2? The page on the website that talks about those features doesn't say that.

With this model, you probably won't see version 3 or 4, just incremental updates. Just buy in when you get features that you feel are worth the money.

[mevla]

Seriously?

Every piece of software you buy, you buy on faith that the bugs get fixed. How is this different?

When you buy any software you are entitled to upgrades. Do you get their changelog in advance ? Please state which company does so.

All depends on how you see it. Either we pay for 2.0 and the features announced and have the mind set that it's worth the money alone. The next 12 months of updates is additional to this, free.

Or. You pay whenever you feel to, and what you get the next 12 months is like an exciting lottery

There's no lottery as far as I see it. I pay for the 2.0 upgrade 159€. That's all right. I pay and I get. That's also all right. I pay for 2.0, not for anything else.

And included is 12 months for updates, bug fixes, perhaps features, etc...

But I have paid for 2.0 and I got 2.0, delivered.

Currently 1.3.15 works quite good. I have projects and lots of sketches.

Based on this, expectation is that 2.0 will also work. When I buy it, and by the end of the 12 months. Every software has bugs so I will not hyperventilate, so to speak, at the slightest sign. As long as the software can be used.

So, no lottery.

Then at the end of the 12 months, sometime in early 2018, I will see if I will either wait for 3.0 or pay for a 'subscription'. The decision will be taken based on what happened in 2017 with the Bitwig team. Again, no lottery. Or perhaps, a slight hint at, if they make promises for 2018. Then again, aren't we all lotto players when voting for gouvernments ?

[mevla]

With this model, you probably won't see version 3 or 4, just incremental updates. Just buy in when you get features that you feel are worth the money.

That'd be all right. And get 12 months of updates when doing so.

[humanbeingbeing]

One thought: If we pay in advance for 12 months of upgrades, will we get the changelog for the next 12 months in advance too?

I like how you think!

Seriously?

Every piece of software you buy, you buy on faith that the bugs get fixed. How is this different?

Quite different, when you have a 3 year history to reflect upon you don't need to rely on faith, you can act on intuition.