Is there a way to equalise transient and sustain separately?

[pumafred]

Is there a way to get this

https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... ansgressor

With Melda plugins?

[DarkStar]

Requested / worked around here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 8&t=458981

[jmg8]

Follow this, but in addition turn the "Transient Modulation" up to 100% in the follower.

[pumafred]

Thanks!

[Soarer]

I made a Transients Separator and it works pretty well (see pict). It doesn't take out the transients completely but it sounds right both when combined again and with effects.


jmg8 do you know if is there a way to remove the transients completely? The transient module only goes down to -24 dB.

The first Transient module output is set to Transients, otherwise default settings.
The second Transient module is set to -24 dB. Normal output.



Solved: Any idea why i can't embed the image url?
I do this: [img*]http://imgur.com/a/XNOdH[/img*]
(not with the * of course)

[DarkStar]

^^^ That's the page not the image; have a look at this:
http://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/vie ... f=19&t=432

[jmg8]

jmg8 do you know if is there a way to remove the transients completely?

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Select all and copy then paste into MXXX.
For more info on how I made it watch the video above.
This is a better method for transient processing as it allows more control, using attack/decay etc etc.
However it is also possible to get just the sustain by using phase cancellation.
Darkstar explains it here:

>>> http://i.imgur.com/NplBwLQ.png

-- use Transient to keep the transients on lane 1
-- use Utility to invert the phase of the incoming audio
-- Mix it with the transients (which will null with the inverted originals
-- add Chorus, Reverb etc to taste
-- use another Utility to invert the phase again.


Hope that helps.

[Soarer]

Thanks but I did check your previous postings and have tried these methods.
The active preset I don't fully understand or something is wrong. I'm using drum samples. Solo doesn't solo the transients but reduces them a bit. The Solo switch is routed to Utility 2 which is in the first lane. So by pressing it you turn off the first lane and hear the second lane which is the release. Did you accidentally switch them around? Seems that Solo Release is the one that solos the transients.

But even if I turn them around there is still quite some attack on the release part soloed - more than taking one instance of Transient and turn attack all the way down.

As for DarkStar's method it works very well with a single drum trigger but if you trigger the sample quickly a few times you will have full attack on the succeeding sounds. It seems that the processor doesn't release fast enough to catch the next and so it doesn't really work with a drum loop. So of course this is also the case with the method I posted.

[jmg8]

Maybe I made a mistake yes. I'll take a look at it.

[jmg8]

It works fine, it is the correct way round.
I have updated it slightly as the attack was a little too soft.
Please try it again.
Solo the transient and then lower the threshold until it sounds right.

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[Soarer]

The transients are soloed but loses some of the attack, and the release lane also has transients.

[MeldaProduction]

Try this:

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No easy screen or anything, it just splits the signal into transient (lane 1) and sustain parts (lane 2) and processes the transients a little, so that it is audible what it does.

[Soarer]

It's pretty much the same method as the one I posted.
If you trigger a sample quickly a few times you will have full attack on the succeeding sounds. It seems that the processor doesn't release fast enough to catch the next and so it doesn't really work with a drum loop.

[jmg8]

Pretty much the same yes, but you did ask for a way to turn the transient all the way down instead of just to -24db and that is what was given to you.

The attack thing is a different matter. This is why I suggested that you use the level crossover method as it gives you lots more control.
But you have to put in a little effort to get the results you want, it doesn't just work perfectly on everything all the time.
Use my active preset, then open up the follower and fine tune it. Play around with Attack, Release, Peak Hold, RMS, Min and Max Threshold.
Also you can go into the advanced settings and change the attack and release speeds.
There are also a few different transient modes to try.
And finally you can focus the detector on certain frequencies to better improve the detection.

[Soarer]

Alright I'll try that. I was just wondering if the algorithm could be improved so that it will work in the correct way of separating transients and sustain even with fast transients. If so then that is a feature request.