Hmmm i Don't need more synths or do i? Opinions on Hive?!:...:::

[DJ Warmonger]

I can say that owning Sylenth and having demoed Hive I see no point in getting the latter. It does sound different but I can't say it sounds notably better (and I prefer Sylenth tbh). It has real PWM, more targets in modmatrix but other synths like Spire, Rapid, Serum etc have all that and much more.

The Hive was on purpose designed as an update of Sylenth1. It might be improved, but overall it's a clone. If you can't make right sounds with Sylenth1, you won't be able to do it with Hive either.

[tasty tatsyn]

Still demo'ing Hive

I don't know it's just something about Hive sound i'm noty sure i get from other VST's

i also have and use extensively alchemy and omnisphere

here's an example of the sound i want to get out of hive:
https://soundcloud.com/tatsava-news/in-light-3-2-4

all Hive except drums


meanwhile i'll demo Synthmaster too

ty for advices!

[ghettosynth]

I can say that owning Sylenth and having demoed Hive I see no point in getting the latter. It does sound different but I can't say it sounds notably better (and I prefer Sylenth tbh). It has real PWM, more targets in modmatrix but other synths like Spire, Rapid, Serum etc have all that and much more.

The Hive was on purpose designed as an update of Sylenth1. It might be improved, but overall it's a clone. If you can't make right sounds with Sylenth1, you won't be able to do it with Hive either.

I disagree with this, but, you have to know that I am not a fan of Sylenth. The thing is, Hive's filter is better and in a specific way with respect to technology. What you can't do with that kind of filter is get the exact same godawful filter sweep res-distortion kind of sound that you can with older filters. It's always grated on my nerves to hear bad filters swept, but I think that some people have come to like that sound.

So what I'm saying is, if you're trying to get a shitty filter sweep, it might be easier to get that in Sylenth, or any other number of older synths with less capable filters, than it would be in Hive.

I've demoed both of them extensively, I don't like either one. But sylenth sounds worse in a way that some people may appreciate.

Me, I'm waiting for Grunge 2.0 to be a thing so that all of the kids go back to playing guitars again and those sounds can die the natural death that they deserve.

[chk071]

The Hive was on purpose designed as an update of Sylenth1. It might be improved, but overall it's a clone.

I believe Urs would strongly disagree with that.

[exmatproton]

I can say that owning Sylenth and having demoed Hive I see no point in getting the latter. It does sound different but I can't say it sounds notably better (and I prefer Sylenth tbh). It has real PWM, more targets in modmatrix but other synths like Spire, Rapid, Serum etc have all that and much more.

The Hive was on purpose designed as an update of Sylenth1. It might be improved, but overall it's a clone. If you can't make right sounds with Sylenth1, you won't be able to do it with Hive either.

euhh, no.

Straight from U-He himself:

"Hive started out as my private weekend project. I was trying to figure out how to make the fastest possible supersaw algorithm. It turned out, it's a mixture of so called "mip mapping" and vector processing. This makes Hive a little bit slow when you don't use unison for the oscillators, but it makes Hive exceptionally fast when you do. Well, for the non-unison processing we might add another algorithm some time later

Anyhow, we've also always been bugged about two things: First of all, why don't you make a simple synth that's full fo sweet spots? Secondly, why do all your synths smoke CPUs? So we decided to piece those things together. Fast unison oscillators, a user interface that's "reduced to the max" and an efficient take on those zero delay feedback filters that I call "cheating". Latter are not realistic analogue models, but they sound particularly good with unison oscillators.

So this is how Hive came about."

[Synthman2000]

Speak of Hive and the synth "Sylenth1" follows like the cart behind a horse. Understandably for internet dwellers and synth researchers.

I made a very psy trance oriented squelch the other day pitch down - filter opening, fairly bread and butter stuff. Filter/bend sounded exceptional in Sylenth1.

This sound is rich, thick, maintains quality through entire range of envelope modulation, nice sweep and nice bend and high end synth sounding in a really nice way. I even ran out of my music room and commented to my wife saying how incredible synths are these days. At the time I forgot the synth I was doing it with is 10 y.o.

So much for bad sounding filter sweeps in Sylenth1.

I tried the Hive Demo but I did not buy it. I did not find it sufficiently different to Sylenth1 and I also felt there was something rather tame/polite about the basic sound. I also had an inkling it may not easily fit in a mix but that aspect I may be wrong about. May have more parameters than competitor 2 osc synths but the sound quality just did not seem to attract me.

Personal thoughts so listen to demo as deeply as you have time for, decide for yourself. In the end you have to trust what you hear/need and feel yourself. I may go back in some time and listen again and see if I was wrong, cause you know you can be.

We all have made synth purchase mistakes, dusty .dll's that never see the light of a DAW, just go through it all, you like can be different from someone else, it's fine and enjoyable to test and contrast.

[fluffy_little_something]

I disagree with this, but, you have to know that I am not a fan of Sylenth. The thing is, Hive's filter is better and in a specific way with respect to technology. What you can't do with that kind of filter is get the exact same godawful filter sweep res-distortion kind of sound that you can with older filters. It's always grated on my nerves to hear bad filters swept, but I think that some people have come to like that sound.

So what I'm saying is, if you're trying to get a shitty filter sweep, it might be easier to get that in Sylenth, or any other number of older synths with less capable filters, than it would be in Hive.

I've demoed both of them extensively, I don't like either one. But sylenth sounds worse in a way that some people may appreciate.

I am not into sweeps, would you mind posting an audio of such a shitty Sylenth1 filter sweep just so that I know what shitty sounds like?

[ghettosynth]

I made a very psy trance oriented squelch the other day pitch down - filter opening. Filter/band sounded exceptional in Sylenth1.

This sound is rich, thick, sweep and bendy in a really nice way. I even ran out of my music room and commented to my wife saying how incredible synths are these days. At the time I forgot the synth I was doing it with is 10 y.o.

So much for bad sounding filter sweeps in Sylenth1.

Classical logical fallacy. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that it sounds good, just because you made a good sweep doesn't mean that it can't sound bad. There are very particular characteristics that make it sound bad.

BTW: The psy-trance sound is really a lot of what I'm talking about. They use that constricted distorted sound that I think that people actually prefer the sound of bad filters. It's the Virus effect.

[Synthman2000]

Good sound is not about logic.

[ghettosynth]

Good sound is not about logic.

I'm talking about the filter. As I said, some people prefer the sound of shitty filters. Here shitty is referring to the ability of the filter to be an accurate model of an analog filter. There's nothing to deny here. The Sylenth filter is old technology. If you like it fine, but that doesn't make it comparable in accuracy to newer filters.

Really, I don't get why people take this shit so personally?

[ghettosynth]

I am not into sweeps, would you mind posting an audio of such a shitty Sylenth1 filter sweep just so that I know what shitty sounds like?

Why would I waste my time to convince you of anything? If you can't tell the difference then it doesn't matter to you, right?

[fluffy_little_something]

Classical logical fallacy. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that it sounds good, just because you made a good sweep doesn't mean that it can't sound bad. There are very particular characteristics that make it sound bad.

BTW: The psy-trance sound is really a lot of what I'm talking about. They use that constricted distorted sound that I think that people actually prefer the sound of bad filters. It's the Virus effect.

So, you are trying to tell people what sounds good and what sounds bad and that there is something wrong with their taste, relative to your own taste, I assume

[fluffy_little_something]

I am not into sweeps, would you mind posting an audio of such a shitty Sylenth1 filter sweep just so that I know what shitty sounds like?

Why would I waste my time to convince you of anything? If you can't tell the difference then it doesn't matter to you, right?

Well, you seem to define what things should and shouldn't sound like. So why not post an audio demonstrating the latter, or both actually?
Maybe I could tell the difference and would agree with you, Maybe not...

[recursive one]

Here shitty is referring to the ability of the filter to be an accurate model of an analog filter.

So well, "shitty" gets a new meaning. It doesn't anymore mean "bad", now it means "everything which is not an accurate model of an analog". Thank you for clarifying this.

[ghettosynth]

Classical logical fallacy. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt that it sounds good, just because you made a good sweep doesn't mean that it can't sound bad. There are very particular characteristics that make it sound bad.

BTW: The psy-trance sound is really a lot of what I'm talking about. They use that constricted distorted sound that I think that people actually prefer the sound of bad filters. It's the Virus effect.

So, you are trying to tell people what sounds good and what sounds bad and that there is something wrong with their taste, relative to your own taste, I assume

Nope, that isn't what I said. I'd explain more, but, again, I feel that it would largely be a waste of my time.