AudioThing releases Outer Verb, Vintage Spring Reverb (Important Announcement!)

[audiothing]

So basically, another Roland Space Echo clone, and you did not even THINK of the name "Outer Space" (or "Outta Space")? All right... (if you take that name, free copy? EDIT: apparently, too obvious, too late)

Yeah, Outer Space sounds like the best option for now, and yes I already thought about it, but you never know I'm very picky with names, and I didn't want to rush things.

The only question I have in this case, if we get access to the following:
- one "global speed knob" (completely with speed up/down effects)
- a "double/half speed" mode to extend the bpm "usage frame" unless you think half time/double time
- slightly different tape head positions (because no Roland was the same, which in turn resulted in different delay "tabs")
- different tapes
- proper mono support (for using that thing with guitar amps)

I don't know how "accurate" you want to shoot for though.

I'll try to do it as accurate as possible to my unit, but also give more flexibility to the user.
Yes, there will be a global rate knob, but I also want to give access to manually edit each head speed and volume, and of course a sync option.
I've only access to 2 tape types at the moment, but I plan to do at least 3.

Will the MSRP of 39EUR remain, or does that go up AFTER the "Tape" add-on?

The price will go up, probably around $/€50, when the new plugin will be released.
Until then Outer Verb will stay at $/€39 (when intro price ends on Feb 7th).

[Compyfox]

You did not read the thread or?

Half of it... Jumped over most "yay" comments.

You quoted your own answer. However which are couple of Roland RE-201 clones do you use?

GSi GS-201, UAD Space Echo (before it was removed/renamed/rereleased, mostly at client rigs), D16 Repeater, U-HE Satin (I made the Space Echo presets during public beta), just to name a few... Not counting the actual hardware tape delay I have at my disposal (granted, a Dynacord Echocord Super 76, but still...)

Am I qualified enough to have an opinion on the matter?

BTW: The most of your writings sounds disdaining

Oh FFS, do we have sensitive plants on KVR now that are #triggered by everything these days?! Seems to be like it. Guess I should better stop using the internet then, stops me from being "probably offensive to 'somebody' ".

I'll try to do it as accurate as possible to my unit, but also give more flexibility to the user.
Yes, there will be a global rate knob, but I also want to give access to manually edit each head speed and volume, and of course a sync option.
I've only access to 2 tape types at the moment, but I plan to do at least 3.

First and foremost, thanks for the answers.

3 tape tyes... Do we talk Studio R2R recuts/loops, or more modern consumer tapes. Either way, sounds interesting. Looking forward to that.

Manually editing each head speed... Hopefully via an advanced panel? I like the simplicity of the RE-201, though there seem to have been different versions with different tape head positions, resulting in slightly different delay times (second delay line especially). P!ease don't turn this into a more digital powerhouse delay (there are plenty of other tools out there for that)

The price will go up, probably around $/€50, when the new plugin will be released.
Until then Outer Verb will stay at $/€39 (when intro price ends on Feb 7th).

Interesting to know beforehand.

Still, I'm careful with "preordering" these days (got burned too often). I'd like to demo first... So I might be ultimately left out from the "deal"

Again, thanks for the answers

[jens]

Am I qualified enough to have an opinion on the matter?

Your personal qualification wasn't his concearn at all. This thread is not about you.

His point was that your post made it sound like there were already a gazillion of Space Echo emulations available, while the truth is that there is currently NONE which is both: native and 64bit.

[nordickvr]

Am I qualified enough to have an opinion on the matter?

Your personal qualification wasn't his concearn at all. This thread is not about you.

His point was that your post made it sound like there were already a gazillion of Space Echo emulations available, while the truth is that there is currently NONE which is both: native and 64bit.

And having one done by AudioThing is quite a good news!

[Compyfox]

Find shelter and #savespaces, everybody... I'm posting again...

Your personal qualification wasn't his concearn at all. This thread is not about you.

Neither is it about "your police work"
Oh jens, it's been a while since we've been in an argument, no?

His point was that your post made it sound like there were already a gazillion of Space Echo emulations available, while the truth is that there is currently NONE which is both: native and 64bit.

Okay... fair point.

By definition of a "1:1 clone" that is available in both native and x64 form, bonus if stand alone (a separate plugin - so three switches to toggle), you're somewhat correct.

But if we talk "availability", there are dimes a dozen at this point. And if it's not a "port" in a special engine (Ni Reaktor, or the UAD), it's definitely available in many, many multi-purpose delays, a particular concept (see U-HE Satin, D16/Slate Repeater, the upcoming McDSP EC-300 Echo Collection - that's the one with "noise modeling" as well, there are many more "digital ones") or part of a bigger suite (Positive Grid Bias FX Suite and Native Instruments Guitar Rig comes to mind).

So... "somebody" got triggered by my words without reason at all.



Thankfully enough, the developer did not, and compared to "another" developer I recently had experience with, he did answer without any problems and was even happy to help. So kudos to that.

I will keep my eye on this plugin. But as mentioned - no demo, no pre-order.

[jens]

So... "somebody" got triggered by my words without reason at all.

No, it's just that you are talking out of your arse.

it's definitely available in many, many multi-purpose delays, a particular concept (see U-HE Satin, D16/Slate Repeater, the upcoming McDSP EC-300 Echo Collection - that's the one with "noise modeling" as well, there are many more "digital ones") or part of a bigger suite (Positive Grid Bias FX Suite and Native Instruments Guitar Rig comes to mind).

U-He Satin? Just because you made some presets for it and called them "Space Echo"? Are you serious?

And you even said yourself that you don't even own the hardware.

I could make some random presets for MDA Delay and call them "SpaceEcho". Would that give more credibility to my claim that MDA is well capable of emulating a Roland RE-201?

Does Satin feature a spring-reverb? (just for starters) Does Repeater have one built-in? No?

So there you have it - case closed.

Bye Compy - see you in another thread. And please don't forget to close the door on your way out.



P.s.: the closest there currently is is probably the free Spaceship Delay from the 2016 KVR DC (which is inspired by a Echocord Super 76).

[Compyfox]

No, it's just that you are talking out of your arse.

Ah... we're down the "quick insult lane" again (way more creative than actual objective/constructive discussions). It least it's not hiding behind an alias and got more bass than your screeching voice that rips through every thread, insisting "I'm right, you're wrong, STFU".

U-He Satin? Just because you made some presets for it and called them "Space Echo"? Are you serious?

And you even said yourself that you don't even own the hardware.

Who said I still didn't have access to them at some point down the road? Also, didn't I make CLEAR in he TXT's where these things are "based upon"? This is some e-penix thing again that you love to pull pretty much all the time with me?

I asked this several times - even in private. The f*ck is wrong with you - did I sh*t in your cat's litter box in my previous life or what?

Does Satin feature a spring-reverb? (just for starters) Does Repeater have one built-in? No?

So there you have it - case closed.

Did I say that these are 1:1 clones, modeling every piece of used equipment down to the bone (post dissection and all that)? I mean, hey... do not bark up my tree - bark up the tree from D16 claiming to be "accurate"/"Delays for Days" or Urs Heckmann even inserting a delay mode into SATIN.

So... "case closed" indeed.

Who is talking out of a rear end again?

P.s.: the closest there currently is is probably the free Spaceship Delay from the 2016 KVR DC (which is inspired by a Echocord Super 76).

Really?! When did Musical Entropy ever mention "that"? Got a link to the source? (via PM maybe, to not OT this thread any further) - I'd like to compare it with the hardware device currently standing under my master keyboard...

And I also didn't know that this plugin had a "spring reverb" built in (must have missed it during testing during the DC'16 voting period), not to mention multiple tape head positions...


Touché, no?

Bye Compyfox - see you in another thread. And please don't forget to close the door on your way out.

I wish the very same to you, "old friend" "j"...

At least I got my answers, and you got your 5 minutes of fame at a topic you feel "superior" (didn't see that in the "mvMeter thread" from you).

So we're even.





EDIT(h):
Apologies to AudioThing for my fellow forum members, purposely trying to steer this thread off topic at this point to "profile themselves". You (AudioThing) answered my questions without bias as fast as it was possible to you - so thank you.

[Autobot]

Seems that I open the box of pandora

Sorry Mr. Castellano



https://www.audiothing.net/effects/outer-verb/

[audiothing]

Wow guys, let's try to focus on Outer Space

3 tape tyes... Do we talk Studio R2R recuts/loops, or more modern consumer tapes. Either way, sounds interesting. Looking forward to that.

I've the equivalent of the RT-1L (not really sure what type exactly, but was installed when my unit was serviced, as close as possible to the original) and then I have a SM911 (which I use with my Revox B77 mkII). I didn't test it yet, but I've heard it should work just fine in the Space Echo.

Manually editing each head speed... Hopefully via an advanced panel? I like the simplicity of the RE-201, though there seem to have been different versions with different tape head positions, resulting in slightly different delay times (second delay line especially). P!ease don't turn this into a more digital powerhouse delay (there are plenty of other tools out there for that)

I'm still working out the details. I want to keep it as simple as possible like the original, but I also want to give more flexibility to the user. Probably a simple tap-tempo button might be enough instead of the sync/separate heads speed. I'll definitely post more details/ideas/options in the following days.

Still, I'm careful with "preordering" these days (got burned too often). I'd like to demo first... So I might be ultimately left out from the "deal"

Of course, I understand that pre-ordering without a demo or anything could be risky. Anyway, it won't be priced too far from the current price.

I hope I didn't miss any other question.

[Compyfox]

I've the equivalent of the RT-1L (not really sure what type exactly, but was installed when my unit was serviced, as close as possible to the original) and then I have a SM911 (which I use with my Revox B77 mkII). I didn't test it yet, but I've heard it should work just fine in the Space Echo.

Interesting... did you maybe look at other 1/4" formulas as well? You're in Ireland, no? Thomann (Germany) stlll has "modern tapes".

Not only that, I heard that somebody revived the old BASF formulas? Been a while since I've read about them though... so I lost track as to who that was, and where to find them. But basically, anything that is 1/4" should work in such old tape machines.

I'm still working out the details. I want to keep it as simple as possible like the original, but I also want to give more flexibility to the user. Probably a simple tap-tempo button might be enough instead of the sync/separate heads speed. I'll definitely post more details/ideas/options in the following days.

I don't mind an "oldschool mode" and an "advanced mode". As long as it's logical.

Though one thing I really didn't like with the old Space Echo, was that you could only select certain heads (and therefore positions)... It's an old device after all - so a bit of a modern touch is welcome.

Of course, I understand that pre-ordering without a demo or anything could be risky. Anyway, it won't be priced too far from the current price.

Maybe a second "intro round" would be of interest, since it'll be a new product. Would result in less bragging IMO. But you're ultimately deciding which route to go for. I'm just a user... but I'm not jumping on every deal these days.

I hope I didn't miss any other question.

Not any that I'm aware of from my end at least. Thanks for your time.



You said ETA about 1-2 months... so... End of February/End of March?
Could be an interesting Spring Season (since both the Musikmesse and AES Convention #142 will be in Spring as well)

[audiothing]

Interesting... did you maybe look at other 1/4" formulas as well? You're in Ireland, no? Thomann (Germany) stlll has "modern tapes".

Not only that, I heard that somebody revived the old BASF formulas? Been a while since I've read about them though... so I lost track as to who that was, and where to find them. But basically, anything that is 1/4" should work in such old tape machines.

Yes, I'll try to get my hands on more tapes (anything 1/4" should work yes). But I'll probably just include 2-3 types anyway, (if they are really worth it).

Maybe a second "intro round" would be of interest, since it'll be a new product. Would result in less bragging IMO. But you're ultimately deciding which route to go for. I'm just a user... but I'm not jumping on every deal these days.

We'll definitely have another "intro price" when it's ready, probably around 20% of the new full price.

You said ETA about 1-2 months... so... End of February/End of March?
Could be an interesting Spring Season (since both the Musikmesse and AES Convention #142 will be in Spring as well)

Most likely beginning of March, but I'll update this thread when I know more.

[Compyfox]

Fair enough - thanks for the answers.
Will keep an eye on the development...

[Quasar]

Most likely beginning of March, but I'll update this thread when I know more.

Just wanted to say this looked like a cool plug, and was thinking about buying it anyway. But when I found this thread and also got your email about the free update for the tape echo addition, I purchased immediately. I agree with the other comments to the effect that I never buy something based on what it might become, but only based on what it is today. But since Outer Verb is impressive and will be useful as is, your laudable responsiveness to end-user feedback is only icing on the cake, and did push me over the edge to buy, as I want to vote with my wallet and support developers who display the kind of excellent customer service you have exhibited here. So well done and thanks.

And by the way, Speaker is simply outstanding for re-creating certain kinds of sonic characteristics from the distant, old-time radio past. Can't believe it's only $15. Good stuff, and keep up the great work.

[Aloysius]

It looks so ... beautiful. Bit shy about pre-ordering but I'll take a serious look at your website. You're a trusted company in my book and this may just turn out to be a genuine bargain.

Update: That didn't take long. My name is in the pot.

[audiothing]

Just wanted to say this looked like a cool plug, and was thinking about buying it anyway. But when I found this thread and also got your email about the free update for the tape echo addition, I purchased immediately. I agree with the other comments to the effect that I never buy something based on what it might become, but only based on what it is today. But since Outer Verb is impressive and will be useful as is, your laudable responsiveness to end-user feedback is only icing on the cake, and did push me over the edge to buy, as I want to vote with my wallet and support developers who display the kind of excellent customer service you have exhibited here. So well done and thanks.

And by the way, Speaker is simply outstanding for re-creating certain kinds of sonic characteristics from the distant, old-time radio past. Can't believe it's only $15. Good stuff, and keep up the great work.

Thank you for your kind words and support. I'm happy that you are enjoying our plugins
I know, pre-ordering is not ideal but it was really the best option in this case.