KVR Audio

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:47 am

DJ Warmonger,

Thanks for the help.

Making some progress here. Trying 150%
and 12 on text and bold in some cases.
I will be making adjustments for a while Until I find a what wotrks for me.

The refresh rate was set at the factory at 30 and the images seemed ok to me.
Should I get it up to 60?

Checked the square on Google Chroame Properties as you suggested.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:54 am

Checked the square on Google Chroame Properties as you suggested.

I didn't suggest anything for Chrome, it's just random screenshot found with Google.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:49 am

Hey,

My first impressions on the 43” Samsung TV/Monitor UN43KU6300FXZA

Too glossy. May have to redo the lighting in the studio. Will have to go with indirect lighting. or put all the lighting behind the screen. I like working with the lights on so turning them off is not a solution.

Too bright in the middle of the screen on white and light colors are noticeable. As you move away the hot spot is considerably reduced.

This TV does not have an on/off button. The remote control is the only way to turn it on.

edit: Running at 30 Hz. Apparently my video card MSI GTX970 cannot go to 60 Hz,

I really like the higher resolution!

I have yet to spend much time on it making music but I know I made the right decision. It was a lot more work than expected to get everything setup and working.

Again that to all for the help.

Check out my 2017 Studio withe 43" Samsung
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7760&p=6718002#p6718002

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:22 am

Okay, so I ordered 27" 4K monitor. Not sure about this decision, but well... need to move forward.

About half a year ago I heard that some plugins are about to get GUI scaling (Harmor, Serum) - but they didn't yet. I will be still able to see them at about 62% actual size, but not sure if they will be actually operable.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:01 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:Okay, so I ordered 27" 4K monitor. Not sure about this decision, but well... need to move forward.

About half a year ago I heard that some plugins are about to get GUI scaling (Harmor, Serum) - but they didn't yet. I will be still able to see them at about 62% actual size, but not sure if they will be actually operable.

good luck.

I could use 40" 4k, maybe at a push 32" 4k , under that and it's really pushing it for readability for VSTs.

If you have a 27" monitor now, here's a screen of those two synths for scale on your monitor. At a guess, each of those GUI would be about 4-5" wide on a 27" screen.

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:43 am

I have two 28 inch 4k monitors - they are too small for 4k work in non scaleable DAWs (some windows are just too tiny) . Bitwig is usable @ 4k on a 28 inch except for numerous third party plugins. I keep each of mine set for 2560 X 1440 which works fine.

Kraznet · Post by **Kraznet** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:35 am

This looks like a good one and its non smart which is proably a bonus.

Samsung UE40KU6000 40 inch 4K Ultra HD, Freeview HD, LED Smart TV - Black £449.99
http://www.very.co.uk/samsung-ue40ku600 ... 078948.prd

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:48 pm

Okay so I got my 27" 4K monitor.

It was worth it. Everything that scales, especially text editors, look so much better and I have much more working space.

However, the only thing that does NOT scale are VST plugins. The Ableton is scaled at 140% now and I have over 200% of my old workspace, however some plugins might be difficult to see. Either way, I can move a bit closer to the screen, so what's the problem?

This is future-proof solution and I hope that eventually all the plugins will get proper high-DPI support.

wickfut · Post by **wickfut** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:41 pm

Sorry if this is a blast from the past. I missed this little rant when it was posted.

ghettosynth wrote: What's your point? It's a real issue that several people have pointed out. I'm not sure what you're trying to deny here. Neck strain is a real thing, it's about the height (and width, but curved monitors mitigate that somewhat), and just because you don't seem to care doesn't mean that it isn't a real problem with large monitors.

My point is that you can sit further back from a larger screen and have it fill the same field of view space as sitting on top of a closer but smaller screen. I don't have neck strain and neither do most other people.

Just because you've never had RSI issues doesn't mean that 1) you never will, and 2) that what you're doing is correct, either for you, or for anyone else. I never had them either, they came on suddenly a few years back. I've always had the largest available monitors, but when I got the 39" neck strain did become a problem, but not until after a few years use.

It's unfortunate you suffer from a medical condition but other people don't. I don't buy expensive shoes with a fear I may lose a leg.

The bottom line, whether you feel offended or not, is that you don't know what you're talking about. There are real issues from both moving your head up and down, and from side to side. I'm sure that you didn't see the benefit of a curved monitor because you aren't even aware of the range of dimensions that cause issues. There are several reasons why they reduce eye and neck strain.

The bottom line here is that you charged into a thread and started trying to turn everything on its head because you suffer with RSI.
Let's be blunt here. I sit about 1m away from the screen with my head level with the centre of the screen. I don't have to move my head to see the whole screen, although with some smaller VST instruments I sometimes drag them more to the centre to have a more concentrated view.
I have no issues using Cubase or any VSTs. It's been 5 months+ now and the PC is also used as my daily PC for messing about with , reading webpages and the odd bit of gaming.

Nobody cares about "your" setup, this isn't about you.

Just like nobody cares about your neck strain other than you.

BTW: Those giant studio desks are not appropriate for really large monitors either, so I'm not sure what you're point is by posting your shopping list?

The point is that if you have one of those desks with the raised monitor shelf then that would raise a normal 27" monitor to the same height as a larger screen placed flat at desk height. Are you going to cry and bitch about your RSI to those people with those type of desks in the home studio pics thread too?

I'm posting because the ergonomics of large monitors are a genuine health concern and the question title of the thread is "which monitor to get." There is nothing for you to refute, the points I'm bringing up are not about me, they are a common problem. So please, spend a little time reading something other than glossy catalogues before you spout off more nonsense again.

Oh look , people have purchased their 4k screens and have come to the same conclusion I came to. 40"+ is fine. 27" is too small to see VSTs.

You done moaning about your sore neck yet?

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:19 am

wickfut wrote: If you have a 27" monitor now, here's a screen of those two synths for scale on your monitor. At a guess, each of those GUI would be about 4-5" wide on a 27" screen.

Okay. The conclusion is that Serum is indeed the least visible plugin in my collection due to its narrow font and narrow lines, overall.

Harmor fails to load at all, probably due to improper GUI scaling.

Other than that, it's not bad. Sylenth looks gorgeuos at 175%. Dune 2 is ok, just as Hybrid 3 and Xpand. Sample-based plugins don't really need much interface at all. Loom doesn't look worse than it used to, it's an issue with overall GUI design and not the size. Vacuum Pro looks very unbalanced despite it's simplicity. LuSH-101 also has tiny design despite it's 1440 pixels wide.

Ahh, I also completely forgot that I own Mangle. It is vector and should be scalable

Effects are fine. I usually use simple effects with only a handful of knobs, no need to do any menu diving.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:52 am

wickfut wrote:Sorry if this is a blast from the past. I missed this little rant when it was posted.

The bottom line here is that you charged into a thread and started trying to turn everything on its head because you suffer with RSI.

No, I'm simply trying to warn others of well understood issues that you obviously don't know about. TBH, I could give a shit what you do, but, the concerns ARE valid for MOST people.

Feel free to ignore my advice, I'm not really posting for you.

I have no issues using Cubase or any VSTs. It's been 5 months+ now and the PC is also used as my daily PC for messing about with , reading webpages and the odd bit of gaming.

As I said, it took about two years before I even noticed it and when I talked to professionals, i.e., not you, they confirmed what I'm telling you now. You can ignore my advice, I don't care, but it's valid advice.

I'm posting because the ergonomics of large monitors are a genuine health concern and the question title of the thread is "which monitor to get." There is nothing for you to refute, the points I'm bringing up are not about me, they are a common problem. So please, spend a little time reading something other than glossy catalogues before you spout off more nonsense again.
Oh look , people have purchased their 4k screens and have come to the same conclusion I came to. 40"+ is fine. 27" is too small to see VSTs.

People with (obviously) much better educations than you possess come to different conclusions, as you may eventually learn. I gave you some links, but like I said, reading is required. Also, I think a bit of reasoning skill as well, so, yeah, probably not for you.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:57 am

DJ Warmonger wrote: Harmor fails to load at all, probably due to improper GUI scaling.

Nah, there are beta versions of IL plugins vectorized. Harmor works fine for me

http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.p ... 0&t=167137

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:03 am

Don't take my word for it btw, this is a well understood issue in the computer industry. As the links I posted earlier touched on, the neck issue is only recently become more common owing to large and multiple monitors.

https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~cscott/rsi.html

When you first notice symptoms of RSI, you have already done substantial damage to yourself. RSI can take months, even years to develop, and you can expect it to take at least twice as long to heal. ... Even if you feel no pain or other symptoms of RSI, you would do well to heed the following advice for RSI prevention, especially if you meet one of the risk factors outlined above.

Also, it's not about what you can see in the screen, I can see all of my 4K monitor, it is about micro-movements that you ARE making.

This is about the hands, but similar ideas apply to viewing and neck muscles.

You may wonder how seemingly innocuous activities such as typing and clicking a mouse button could possibly be harmful. Fine hand movements, repeated hour after hour, day after day, thousands upon thousands of times, eventually strain the muscles and tendons of the forearms, wrists, and fingers, causing microscopic tears. Injured muscles tend to contract, decreasing the range of motion necessary for stress free work. The sheaths that cover delicate tendons run out of lubrication because they aren't given time to rest, so tendon and sheath chafe, resulting in pain. Due to this abrasion, tendons become inflamed, and begin to pinch neighboring nerves. This can result in numbness, tingling, or hypersensitivity to touch. Unless this cycle is interrupted, it repeats itself over and over, and a long-term, chronic problem results.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:33 am

Scotty wrote:I have two 28 inch 4k monitors - they are too small for 4k work in non scaleable DAWs (some windows are just too tiny) . Bitwig is usable @ 4k on a 28 inch except for numerous third party plugins. I keep each of mine set for 2560 X 1440 which works fine.

Also, in windows DPI scaling causes some issues with some DAWs and specific plugins, notably Reaper, although they claim to have addressed this in a recent update. In any case, I switch back and forth between 4K and 2560x1600 depending on what I'm doing.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Thu May 04, 2017 6:45 am

I made a little blog post explaining all the things about 4K in DAWs, in particular in Ableton:

https://djwarmonger.wordpress.com/2017/05/04/4k-in-daw/

Which 4k monitor to get