One Synth Challenge #95: HY-Mono by HY-Plugins / hyakken (Carl_saved wins!!!)

[Taron]

It is just that I'm trying to experiment with everything and sometimes I really want to make fire and ice sit on top of each other without interaction. Like 2 stories at same time that share same "idea" but from different point of view. Example: Man running fast across the street. From perspective of viewer you think he is running because he is in a hurry and he is out of time and under pressure. But there is another view from runner itself. He is running because he have a lot of time and he is actually enjoying this activity because it make him relaxed. Almost like too different melodies/tracks playing at same time.

For me it is NOT important to achieve that goal. Important is the way that exists because of this goal. So in the end we always enjoy the ride and not the End.

Yes, absolutely, it means the world for anyone, who has understood that! It sets you free and gives you clarity, making you actually go even faster, but with ease!

Now, to set up the kind of scenario you're describing up there, you obviously want people by the end to be aware of both points of view. Most pleasant it would be to pick the relaxed one to leave the people with at the end, but I would likely "zoom out" and show a whole world of people running frantically...leaving a little , hehe. Anyway, point is, you want each point of view to be perceivable at one point or another. You may find some artistic way of letting the play in parallel, but even then you'd have to identify the same subject in two different "moods", even distinguishing between the subject itself and the subject seen.
I would introduce both views separately, make them gradually, clearly identifiable as well as clearly featuring the subject. Then interplay could begin. But it would just be one approach, of course.

Fun to think about such things. But I prefer letting stories reveal themselves to me, rather than forcing a story into life. I do that, too, but I just don't prefer it. When you allow stories to present themselves to you, they come with their important subjects and you need not worry to having to invent them, hehe. At least not the key elements.

Anyway, beautiful topic! And I'd enjoy hearing your take on the running man!

[TrojakEW]

Maybe layering two opposite elements is too extreme for me with my skill. Maybe something easier for start will do. But I still want to achive kind of different view in one track. Or perhaps elevate one element trough opposite element. Kind of musical oxymoron. I was trying somtime ago create track with that goal. I named it Intelligent madness but I think I was not able to do so. In the end it was more like Ill madness . So for example how you will approach this theme?

Taron (or anyone else) if you dont mind could you please try to compose simple example? Im sure it will be very helpfull to me. To see (hear) it from other view.

[liqih]

Taron (or anyone else) if you dont mind could you please try to compose simple example? Im sure it will be very helpfull to me. To see (hear) it from other view.

" Example: Man running fast across the street. From perspective of viewer you think he is running because he is in a hurry and he is out of time and under pressure. But there is another view from runner itself. He is running because he have a lot of time and he is actually enjoying this activity because it make him relaxed. Almost like too different melodies/tracks playing at same time."

So that is the "theme" you wanna put into music? IMHO there is not a single way you can express that
in music and suppose that the listener, who does NOT know before hand the meaning, can actually receive the message. E.G. understand the story at the origin as expressed in words. That may sound obvious but it's the start point I think.
That's why when you want to actually tell a story in music you attach words to it making it a song.

Now your example above, if meant for an instrumental piece, becomes your "map" for the compositions,
your inspiration for a musical structure, and the result will be "correct" as long as it will satisfy your aesthetic sensibility.

After this boring premise, yes I would like to compose something inspired to that 'double point of view",
but" 1) I have to think about it, 2) the result could be very different from what you imagine, <grin>

Cheers,

Luigi

[Taron]

Yaha...that's a given, I mean, that the results will likely be "puzzling"- to say the least. I actually started something with HY-Mono, because of this thread, and I think it's kinda interesting, but will it bring the point across?! It will show a juxtaposition, but it's difficult to identify what is what for that matter.

I'm sure with enough thought, you could actually get quite precise with the story telling. There's a German classic called "Peter und der Wolf", I think, it's been so long...but it would introduce each character very beautifully. I should look that up again, hehehe...childhood memories.

Anyway, I can't wait to hear what Luigi comes up with!!!

[psmacmur]

There's a German classic called "Peter und der Wolf", I think, it's been so long...but it would introduce each character very beautifully. I should look that up again, hehehe...childhood memories.

Yup, my Mom had that one on vinyl when I was a kid; listened to it many times, it does a brilliant job of introducing the characters (each a classic orchestra instrument, e.g. hunter = bassoon maybe) and then telling a story. Great for learning to identify the standard instruments by sound too, at least since the (English) one I heard, if I recall correctly, had a narrated intro explicitly mapping the instruments to the characters. Can't do that in an OSC, and though some people do submit the equivalent of an entire side of an LP, it's not recommended.

Also, voted; always a humbling experience, that.

[Taron]

Here's what I've got so far... it's really rather a "first thought", so to say.
https://soundcloud.com/taronium/hymono-juxtopaz
It's all HY-Mono, of course.

And, psmacmur, yeah, wasn't it wonderful!?

[liqih]

Here's what I've got so far... it's really rather a "first thought", so to say.
https://soundcloud.com/taronium/hymono-juxtopaz
It's all HY-Mono, of course.

Ah! Nice interpretation of the TrojakEW "theme", as a Progressive master would do,<wink>
sounds like it's inside a eastern bazaar! Cool, <grin>

Here is my raw sketch inspired to the same "theme"
http://dashsignature.com/mp3/synthesizers/observing.mp3
Based on a morphing sequence.

[Taron]

Speaking of eastern bazaar, hehe! So very cool! I love the metallic percussion like sound...it's very unique and organic! What synth have you used? Also HY-Mono?
Anyway...nice, I'm enjoying it, too. It has very clearly an outside and inside! Great job!

By the way, I remembered the Led Zeppelin song "Kashmir" I just heard the other day and the fantastic Indian tabla sections. Without that I likely wouldn't have added those bells that really give it character, I think. Funny enough that it's from a prog rock context, hehe.

[liqih]

Speaking of eastern bazaar, hehe! So very cool! I love the metallic percussion like sound...it's very unique and organic! What synth have you used? Also HY-Mono?
Anyway...nice, I'm enjoying it, too. It has very clearly an outside and inside! Great job!

By the way, I remembered the Led Zeppelin song "Kashmir" I just heard the other day and the fantastic Indian tabla sections. Without that I likely wouldn't have added those bells that really give it character, I think. Funny enough that it's from a prog rock context, hehe.

Thanks Taron, you're very generous, it's only an example of exactly what you said, outside and inside!
As per the TrojakEW "theme" there is an outside observer and the inner feeling of the runner, <grin>

And yeah yours could be named Fugue in a Kashmir Bazaar!

BTW it would be nice to have theme for the OSC sometimes, beside the unique synth.

(no, it's not HY-Mono it's Sinnah, but the idea is for the sequence morphing, one can do that with any synth)

[Taron]

Yeah, I thought about a themed OSC, too, before...I'm sure it's been brought up to at some point, has it?
Anyway, as for the synth, I felt like inside the HY-Mono OSC thread it would only be proper to honor that, too, hehe...of course: who cares. And Sinnah is always a pleasure to hear again!

[liqih]

Yeah, I thought about a themed OSC, too, before...I'm sure it's been brought up to at some point, has it?
Anyway, as for the synth, I felt like inside the HY-Mono OSC thread it would only be proper to honor that, too, hehe...of course: who cares. And Sinnah is always a pleasure to hear again!

Right, I used Sinnah because I know its sound better, but here it is: the rendering of the same track but 100% pure HY-Mono only
http://dashsignature.com/mp3/observing_HY_Mono.mp3
(updated: changed one preset, now it's better, <grin>)

[Taron]

Yeah, hard to beat Sinnah... if anything, it's a showcase for the glory of your baby!
...still, the idea kinda comes across.

[TrojakEW]

First of all thank you both Taron and liqih for information and examples. Now I understand I have choosen difficult way . But this is what I like. Simple goal is boring because the way to achieve that is too short and that means not much fun.

It is interesting to see different views form other people. Tarons way is more intelligent then madness while liqih is more madness view - well for me. Again thank you. It shows me that listener add another view to whole track and he choose what is closer to him and it may be even something totally different as intended.

My "goal" is story and also 2 different views in the same track. That Example intelligent madness was just theme that I choose for one track as a challenge for me. I do not want to add this theme to everything. Im telling you this because im not sure if we understand each other correctly.

So I have created short scene in my head for inspisration that show some kind of scientist working on some weird project that bring only chaos and destruction. Instead using his briliant mind to create something nice and usefull he just use his good skills for bad things. As I said before at the end it was more like Ill madness and not Inteliggent madness. This is sketch I had done for this theme (it is older unfinished project):
https://soundcloud.com/trojakew/intelligent-madness

[Taron]

Hehehe, very nice! A long, long time ago I did something similar in character, hehe. But well, that's "intelligent madness" for sure! I was under the impression you were looking for two opposing themes to overlap or interact, which was the matter with your OSC track, you know.
Anyway, very wacky and interesting little piece you've got there! You should continue it!

[TrojakEW]

I was under the impression you were looking for two opposing themes to overlap or interact, which was the matter with your OSC track, you know.

Well yes in this OSC track I try too to use 2 themes but in different ways. Idea is to have 2 elements/views but use them different depend on theme of track. Im trying to implement this "principle" everytime but im not successful always . In this OSC there were another "bigger" obstacle that was synth itself. For me it was hardest OSC but it was fun . I appreciate help and commnents.

Ok too much off topic in this discussion back to Hy-Mono.