THE Psytrance thread

[Distorted Horizon]

Ooooooooooooo... Just received an email from synapse audio, telling that The Legend now has a band pass filter
Make a guess, what synth is going to flood my new tracks

[andymcbain]

Thanks for the feedback and the reverb suggestions. TBH i never do very detailed work on reverbs. I have a hall as a global send for leads and a room as a send for drums and some synths and that's it. Will try more complex reverb configurations.

Same here really, until recently when I started experimenting a bit more and noticed that certain reverb algorithms are better at giving a sense of "depth". Pre-delay is good to mess with too - especially if you set it to a musical value (100ms is a 16th note at 150bpm, for example)

I'm getting really nice long hall reverbs from Audiodamage EOS - older plugin but the algorithm was written by the guy that made the Valhalla plugins, but I actually prefer it in some cases. And Slate Digital's "Verbsuite Classics" is sooooo good for plates, rooms, ambience... etc

[andymcbain]

Ooooooooooooo... Just received an email from synapse audio, telling that The Legend now has a band pass filter
Make a guess, what synth is going to flood my new tracks

Ooooh damn. I might have to buy that one now!

Pretty phenomenal sounding synth when I played with the demo. Really jumped out the speakers at you.

[recursive one]

Thanks for the feedback and the reverb suggestions. TBH i never do very detailed work on reverbs. I have a hall as a global send for leads and a room as a send for drums and some synths and that's it. Will try more complex reverb configurations.

Same here really, until recently when I started experimenting a bit more and noticed that certain reverb algorithms are better at giving a sense of "depth". Pre-delay is good to mess with too - especially if you set it to a musical value (100ms is a 16th note at 150bpm, for example)

I'm getting really nice long hall reverbs from Audiodamage EOS - older plugin but the algorithm was written by the guy that made the Valhalla plugins, but I actually prefer it in some cases. And Slate Digital's "Verbsuite Classics" is sooooo good for plates, rooms, ambience... etc

The only reverb plugin I have is Valhalla Vintage Verb, I'm trying to keep my plugins at necessary minimum (and guys, please stop talking about how great is that your Legend )

Good idea with tempo-synced predelay!

[Distorted Horizon]

and guys, please stop talking about how great is that your Legend

You don't have your copy yet of this marvelous piece of software?

[recursive one]

You don't have your copy yet of this marvelous piece of software?

I'm trying to keep my plugins at necessary minimum

You see... I'm trying

Actually I didn't even install the demo, I have Diva and Monark and don't think I need another Moog synth for psy.

[Distorted Horizon]

Actually I didn't even install the demo, I have Diva and Monark and don't think need another Moog synth for psy.

http://www.synapse-audio.com/download.html

It's the first one on that list

You may want to get rid of monark after demoing, and forward that money to synapse audio.

[recursive one]

I know where to get the demo

But frankly I'm not a big fan of their Dune and I see little relevance of a moog emu to psy. I did use monark/diva in few my tracks but not for the main sounds.

[Terrafractyl]

I agree about The Legend. Briliant emulation, but minimoogs are not great for Psy in my opinion. Too limited by its architecture and modulation ranges, as far as analog emo Uhe's Repro is more like it for me.
But yeah, something about the moog sound just never really grabbed me anyways.

talking about Reverbs though... I love some good reverb!


For me a couple stand out. Eventide Blackhole is a plug I lusted after for a few years before finally grabbing it recently.... Its brilliant! Well I love it anyways. It has a certain sound that I could get pretty nicely with Valhalla Shimmer but that plug is an emulation of Blackhole and it turns out Blackhole still has it beat (IMO).

For far out crazy modulating reverbs or even just modulating the reverb time I still usually turn to Space Master II (comes with reaktor). SUCH a good reverb!!!! pretty underrated or even forgotten but still awesome if you ask me.
Zrev (comes with Zebra) also is quite nice for this kind of thing, but I find Space master is a bit more flexible.

Of course if I want to make a realistic reverb that actually simulates a space I will usually use a convolution reverb, but that's not really what psytrance is about!

[Distorted Horizon]

I agree about The Legend. Briliant emulation, but minimoogs are not great for Psy in my opinion. Too limited by its architecture and modulation ranges, as far as analog emo Uhe's Repro is more like it for me.
But yeah, something about the moog sound just never really grabbed me anyways.

talking about Reverbs though... I love some good reverb!


For me a couple stand out. Eventide Blackhole is a plug I lusted after for a few years before finally grabbing it recently.... Its brilliant! Well I love it anyways. It has a certain sound that I could get pretty nicely with Valhalla Shimmer but that plug is an emulation of Blackhole and it turns out Blackhole still has it beat (IMO).

For far out crazy modulating reverbs or even just modulating the reverb time I still usually turn to Space Master II (comes with reaktor). SUCH a good reverb!!!! pretty underrated or even forgotten but still awesome if you ask me.
Zrev (comes with Zebra) also is quite nice for this kind of thing, but I find Space master is a bit more flexible.

Of course if I want to make a realistic reverb that actually simulates a space I will usually use a convolution reverb, but that's not really what psytrance is about!

Well now Legend is capable for those bandpassed leads

When it comes to blackhole, I once found it on some 24h crazy deal thingy. Cost only 39$. And I was stupid enough not to get it

Some reverbs I find good:

Realtimeonly - Reverbical (has some great micromodulation stuff)
Minimal system - Nebula (unfortunately only 32bit but those endless spaces or clangy verbs <3<3<3)
Voxengo - oldskoolverb (simple but works)
Reason - RV7000 mk2 (just awesome)

Aaaand upcoming Melda reverb is something very exciting

Btw Terra, have you tried some (for example) street noise as convolution? Or maybe pitched up reversed bounce from your track, that you're working on? Because IMO convolution reverbs are exactly, what's psytrance all about

[Terrafractyl]

yep I've had some great fun and great results doing experimental convolution stuff. It doesn't often find its way into my work though.... but extreme modulated Reverbs are in pretty much every track

I Can't believe you didn't buy Blackhole, I also got it in that sale, twas easily the best 39$ I spent in a while!

MTurboReverb? Does seem kinda interesting, I havn't tried it yet (still beta right?), but I am pretty underwhelmed with the standard Melda Reverb .... one of the least good plugs in that awesome large collection.
MMultiband convolution though definitely inspires me to get experimental.

Speaking of Melda, I made the most ridiculous reverby patch in Mxxx the other day, Granular, Convolution reverbs, Delays, Saturation....hmmmm

[andymcbain]

I Can't believe you didn't buy Blackhole, I also got it in that sale, twas easily the best 39$ I spent in a while!

I've also missed out on several chances to get Blackhole cheap. Absolutely gutting. I've tried the demo of Valhalla Shimmer but never really got on with it. But EOS is filling my giant unnatural verb void right now.

MTurboReverb? Does seem kinda interesting, I havn't tried it yet (still beta right?), but I am pretty underwhelmed with the standard Melda Reverb .... one of the least good plugs in that awesome large collection.
MMultiband convolution though definitely inspires me to get experimental.

Speaking of Melda, I made the most ridiculous reverby patch in Mxxx the other day, Granular, Convolution reverbs, Delays, Saturation....hmmmm

I really want to love Melda plugins... I really do... they should appeal to my geekiness but there's something about the family UI that puts me off.

I do own MPowersynth though... a bit flat sounding to my ears but I've coaxed some nice psytrance noises out of it - particularly using the vowel filter and the "character" knob It's a great synth for when you have a very specific sound in mind.

[Distorted Horizon]

Love Melda too. MPowersynth is maybe a bit generic workhorse alone, but the fx section is what IMO makes it insane synth.
Though I like the sound of raw MPower. It's so.. Clean..

Aaaand UI can be tweaked nicely. Personaly I like:

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[Distorted Horizon]

I've now tested all Eplex7 plugins (http://www.eplex7.com/vstplugins.html), and I find them to be quite nice actually!

Shame they are only 32bit though.

[Terrafractyl]

Still yet to try those ^^ will do today maybe!

MPowersynth really is a bit of a beast though, Even just sweeping through the oscilator shapes on the OSC 'normal' tab plus a transformation or something and wow things can get pretty psychedelic pretty quickly.

THe UI's on all the melda stuff took me a little while to get over(so many windows!) but coming from cubase that kinda has the same problem, maybe it was less of an issue for me.
Still feels a bit like an early 2000's GUI, but what the hell, no other plugs come close to the level of control Melda's have. M-S, multiband everything ftw!