Thanks everyone for helpful answerspsmacmur wrote: Lately, I route all the "synth" parts to a bus that has a gentle sidechain compressor on it, and route the kicks and sometimes (if they're meant to stand out) toms or snare to another bus that serves as the sidechain input. (on that bus, I EQ down the bass) This is just a "mixing" routing, to make room for the drum transients. If I want one or two parts to noticeably pump, they get they're own dedicated compressor that hits harder and has a slower release. (Once, I tried making the shared bus pump hard, but got slammed for it in comments and voting.)
The ghost kick thing is pretty common in video tutorials etc., and makes sense in theory because you can both pump when the drums are silent and control the source frequency. I haven't done it lately though, as I have OneKnob Pumper for generating pumping independent of drums (when outside OSC), and I suspect there's a free equivalent.
One Synth Challenge #96: Nabla by Full Bucket (Voting Over)
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- KVRist
- 199 posts since 17 May, 2013
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- KVRist
- 429 posts since 21 Mar, 2015
nabla's VCF filter is a wonder.. really like it. I'm not really using any external effects yet and somehow I got human-like clap sounds and even a waterfall.. how did I do that!? haha
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- KVRian
- 725 posts since 11 Mar, 2014 from Netherlands
Hi guys,
Need some feedback:
https://soundcloud.com/rghvdberg/osc96- ... on/s-fLesL
Struggling to get the chord sound right and in the mix. Actually looking for some kind of supersaw-ish sound. I want it to sound 'big' without pushing everything else away.
Lead sound is kinda place-holder, maybe gonna layer some sounds.
I think when I have the sound the way I want it I can develop the song further.
Need some feedback:
https://soundcloud.com/rghvdberg/osc96- ... on/s-fLesL
Struggling to get the chord sound right and in the mix. Actually looking for some kind of supersaw-ish sound. I want it to sound 'big' without pushing everything else away.
Lead sound is kinda place-holder, maybe gonna layer some sounds.
I think when I have the sound the way I want it I can develop the song further.
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- KVRist
- 429 posts since 21 Mar, 2015
@rghvdberg nice sounds and mixdown, I wouldn't layer much (just my opinion) because it kind of has a classic feel as it is right now. Maybe try messing the phaser to create a classic morphing supersaw, I think that might work.
- KVRist
- 379 posts since 29 Jul, 2013 from Toronto
@rghdvberg phace is right, the chord sound is classic already. mau5chords even. You could embiggen it in the mix: for a couple of my sounds, I route them to to Stereo Touch on a Send, so that the stereo delay effect is mixed in with the potentially already-stereo chord patch. If you do layer it, two layers, one panned left, one panned right, with tweaks to modulation/ADSR/phaser rates should prove plenty. That frees up the centre for bass & lead. It sounds like you might be doing that panning already? in which case phace's phaser suggestion, with subtly different setting left to right, might be all you need. The ensemble effect is roughly 3x pseudo-unison, so you should only need 2-3 layers to approach the 7-saw JP8k Supersaw or the 8(?)-saw Virus Hypersaw. One other embiggening suggestion is saturation.
- KVRAF
- 3209 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Slovenia
Hmmm...care for my mustard (
)...good that you declare the current lead a placeholder, because it really harms the sound a lot. I guess the Rick Astley feel of the melody fits the genre, so that's probably fine, haha
, but with your thick and fun arrangement, I would seriously consider taking the lead a little off center, take out resonance (uh, so ugly) and possibly return it a bit more into the mix. Maybe providing a backvocal like arrangement, subtle but noticeable, off to the other side and even further back into the mix, this would really get this a rich and authentic feel?! Just some ideas... 
I think, you're really on to a very appropriate kind of overall touch and it's extraordinarily authentic in principle, I suppose. Never mind that I passionately loathed this kind of music back then already, hahahaha, but somehow today it's totally worth poking at it with such a cheeky track!

Ride on, Rob!
I think, you're really on to a very appropriate kind of overall touch and it's extraordinarily authentic in principle, I suppose. Never mind that I passionately loathed this kind of music back then already, hahahaha, but somehow today it's totally worth poking at it with such a cheeky track!
Ride on, Rob!
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- KVRAF
- 2396 posts since 7 Mar, 2014
Yeah, I did, BUT ... my bad, I still had a Nabla 1.0.1 from 2014 lying around and this was being picked up in preference to the new version. Now on 1.1.0, and all seems well. Can now load external .fxp patches at will ...Yeager wrote:Did you update to the latest version of Nabla 1.1.0 ?
Duh!
Cheers,
dB
- KVRAF
- 2483 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
Thanks for the nice feedback phace. I love it, when music inspires somebodies phantasie..But now that you were saying this, I have the same coming to my mind...The one eyed pirat with a parot on the shoulder...Har Har Har Jim...Tall tree, Spy-glass shoulder, bearing a point to the N. of N. N. E...Where's the map?phace wrote:@Peter:H I think it's a cool track, unique sounds.. makes me picture pirates for some reason, pirates finding the gold
- KVRAF
- 2483 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
Hi folks,
after 2 Beta-Versions, I'm now releasing my submission. Please find it here:
[ UPDATE 02/19/2017: Please find the latest version of my track here
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=478584&p=6708742#p6708742 ]
I wanted to make something a bit more "cinematic", something dense, because in the begining I thought Nabla is not a synth to do percussion with...okay, it's not the best synth to do percussion with, but nevertheless I added some 4 on the floor in the middle...forgive me if this is quit some low frequencies...my new subwoofer needed some work to do.
The track was done with Cubase 9 Pro and...(omg a lot of FX I just threw in in despair to be as good as possible)
* Full Bucket Nabla: ~ 15
* Cubase 9 Pro Frequency EQ: 14
* Cubase 9 Pro Magneto II: 1
* Cubase 9 Pro Distortion (only very little applied to percussion): 4
* Cubase 9 Pro Compressor: 5. Where one was used for a groupd called "Parallel Compression"...the Motown Trick.
* Cubase 9 Pro StereoEnhancer: 4. Used one on a group in combo with a exterm high cut "frequency eq" just to make the base frequencies mono, whereas mids an hights are stereo-expanded on another group.
* Cubase 9 Pro MultibandCompressor: 1. Used on a group to do side chaining
* MeldaProduction MStereoExpander: Some
* Cubase 9 Pro MonoDelay: 1
* Cubase 9 Pro REVelation Reverb: 1
* Cubase 9 Pro StereoDelay: 9
* Cubase 9 Pro EnvelopeShaper: 2
As you might see, I don't work...hm, let's say "coordinated"...I just throw in alot of stuff...and do a lot of automation with that. Nevertheless I hope you like it. Looking forward to getting your feedback.
after 2 Beta-Versions, I'm now releasing my submission. Please find it here:
[ UPDATE 02/19/2017: Please find the latest version of my track here
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=478584&p=6708742#p6708742 ]
I wanted to make something a bit more "cinematic", something dense, because in the begining I thought Nabla is not a synth to do percussion with...okay, it's not the best synth to do percussion with, but nevertheless I added some 4 on the floor in the middle...forgive me if this is quit some low frequencies...my new subwoofer needed some work to do.
The track was done with Cubase 9 Pro and...(omg a lot of FX I just threw in in despair to be as good as possible)
* Full Bucket Nabla: ~ 15
* Cubase 9 Pro Frequency EQ: 14
* Cubase 9 Pro Magneto II: 1
* Cubase 9 Pro Distortion (only very little applied to percussion): 4
* Cubase 9 Pro Compressor: 5. Where one was used for a groupd called "Parallel Compression"...the Motown Trick.
* Cubase 9 Pro StereoEnhancer: 4. Used one on a group in combo with a exterm high cut "frequency eq" just to make the base frequencies mono, whereas mids an hights are stereo-expanded on another group.
* Cubase 9 Pro MultibandCompressor: 1. Used on a group to do side chaining
* MeldaProduction MStereoExpander: Some
* Cubase 9 Pro MonoDelay: 1
* Cubase 9 Pro REVelation Reverb: 1
* Cubase 9 Pro StereoDelay: 9
* Cubase 9 Pro EnvelopeShaper: 2
As you might see, I don't work...hm, let's say "coordinated"...I just throw in alot of stuff...and do a lot of automation with that. Nevertheless I hope you like it. Looking forward to getting your feedback.
Last edited by ] Peter:H [ on Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 2396 posts since 7 Mar, 2014
OK here's my first draft with my perc from Nabla.
Something different for you Björn, enjoy.
As usual comments welcome. Had a lot of fun with this one. I will revise this a lot as my ears are blown at the moment - can't get to see the docs etc until Tuesday 21st!
Probably a case of completely blocked ear canals (usually happens this time of year), painful and sometimes I am completely deaf in my right ear (left is not good either! )
. But here's what my ears can do so far - watch/listen to this space.
dB
https://soundcloud.com/doctorbob/doctor ... sc96-nabla
Something different for you Björn, enjoy.
As usual comments welcome. Had a lot of fun with this one. I will revise this a lot as my ears are blown at the moment - can't get to see the docs etc until Tuesday 21st!
dB
https://soundcloud.com/doctorbob/doctor ... sc96-nabla
- KVRist
- 377 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Slovakia
Kind of experiment from me. Attempt to make more calm and simple track but of course percs included
. So here it is my entry:
https://soundcloud.com/trojakew/deep-blue
FL Studio 12.3
17 instances of Full Bucket Nabla
DAW FX's:
1x Soundgoodizer
5x Fruity Reeverb
1x Fruity Delay 2
1x Fruity Limiter
5x Fruity Parametric EQ 2
3x Maximus
3x Fruity Stereo Shaper
Other FX's:
3x Amplio 2
I have deleted old track and uploaded new version.
https://soundcloud.com/trojakew/deep-blue
FL Studio 12.3
17 instances of Full Bucket Nabla
DAW FX's:
1x Soundgoodizer
5x Fruity Reeverb
1x Fruity Delay 2
1x Fruity Limiter
5x Fruity Parametric EQ 2
3x Maximus
3x Fruity Stereo Shaper
Other FX's:
3x Amplio 2
I have deleted old track and uploaded new version.
Last edited by TrojakEW on Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:54 pm, edited 2 times in total.
- KVRAF
- 2483 posts since 22 Sep, 2016
I like the track and the sounds you have created! May I suggest to clean up the low end a bit. It might be my studio room setup, but the bass region is to me a) a bit to loud compared to the rest and b.) it's not well...hm...let's say "defined"...again please keep in mind...could be my studio. Have you tried listening to it with a sub woofer?TrojakEW wrote:Kind of experiment from me. Attempt to make more calm and simple track but of course percs included. [...]
Suggestion:
Get your self a good frequency analyser, for instance MeldaProduction. Analyse each track and possibly cut away low end of all tracks that must not contribute to low end anyways.
I very often make my low end mono. Without a commercial MultibandStereo-Tool you can go this way to have low end mono: Use 2 primary output groups. Use one group with a steep low pass filter at around 150hz and make that group MONO. send it to output. Add a second group with a steep high pass filter at around 150 Hz and leave that sound or even widen it. Now you can route each channel into both groups which will give you a clean mono low end and a pretty stereo mid to high...
Check out the picture attached, it shows that there's stereo signal on low end. But human ear cannot locate direction of low end signals anyways...
And analysis on different locations suggest that there's choords played like D0, A0 and D1...I like that if it's used as an effect...probably it would be an option to ... not do that to much for the rest of the song.
However, this is just my 2 cents because I like your track. Forgive me if I'm offensive with my feedback...not intended.
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Please find here a version of your track, where I've tried to take away some bass. Don't expect that magic has happend: http://peter-huber.info/musik/BassCorre ... ojakEW.mp3.
What I did, was I mono-ed low end completely, I removed the D0-Frequency to some extent and I removed some of the bass fundamental with a dynamic, frequency following eq...It just suggests that there's much more potential in your track, for instance if you apply some more EQs
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- KVRist
- 223 posts since 15 May, 2016 from Vienna
My submission:
https://soundcloud.com/darksynth-fx/dar ... s-of-peace
Aimed for a beatless, chill and lo-fi sort of track this time.
DAW: Ableton Live 9 Suite
8x Nabla
10x Ableton EQ8
1x Ableton Compressor
1x Ableton Saturator
1x Ableton Ping Pong Delay
1x Ableton Limiter
1x Voxengo Stereo Touch
1x TAL-Reverb-2 (Return)
1x Ableton Delay (Return)
https://soundcloud.com/darksynth-fx/dar ... s-of-peace
Aimed for a beatless, chill and lo-fi sort of track this time.
DAW: Ableton Live 9 Suite
8x Nabla
10x Ableton EQ8
1x Ableton Compressor
1x Ableton Saturator
1x Ableton Ping Pong Delay
1x Ableton Limiter
1x Voxengo Stereo Touch
1x TAL-Reverb-2 (Return)
1x Ableton Delay (Return)
Dark synth producer.
https://soundcloud.com/darksynth-fx
https://soundcloud.com/darksynth-fx

