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ulph · Post by **ulph** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:42 pm

Not this I presume?

"Cat UHE Air Filters"
http://www.stowerscat.com/default.php?w=pdf&id=69

rosschehayeb · Post by **rosschehayeb** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:06 pm

Ha, nice.

I do have a question for Urs about this though. When you say you're working on the CAT, does that mean as a Diva update or its own plugin?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:07 pm

Its own plugin. Like RePro-1.

rosschehayeb · Post by **rosschehayeb** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:25 pm

So is Diva, as a concept, dead?

I know there were technical/financial reasons repro 1 was its own plugin, and I've heard those same reasons cited as for why repro 5 will be its own plugin too.

But now the CAT too? They're all analog emulations. I've heard Urs say he's considering the Synthex filter for Diva, but I really don't understand why CAT wouldn't go into Diva and Synthex would, unless u-he is pretty much done with the idea of an analog emulator with swappable modules.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:27 pm

rosschehayeb wrote:So is Diva, as a concept, dead?

I know there were technical/financial reasons repro 1 was its own plugin, and I've heard those same reasons cited as for why repro 5 will be its own plugin too.

But now the CAT too? They're all analog emulations. I've heard Urs say he's considering the Synthex filter for Diva, but I really don't understand why CAT wouldn't go into Diva and Synthex would, unless u-he is pretty much done with the idea of an analog emulator with swappable modules.

Maybe because Synthex is a Poly synth, CAT a mono?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:30 pm

rosschehayeb wrote:and I've heard those same reasons cited as for why repro 5 will be its own plugin too.

Not quite. You will need to own RePro-1 to get Repro-5.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:51 pm

rosschehayeb wrote:So is Diva, as a concept, dead?

I know there were technical/financial reasons repro 1 was its own plugin, and I've heard those same reasons cited as for why repro 5 will be its own plugin too.

But now the CAT too? They're all analog emulations. I've heard Urs say he's considering the Synthex filter for Diva, but I really don't understand why CAT wouldn't go into Diva and Synthex would, unless u-he is pretty much done with the idea of an analog emulator with swappable modules.

Based on prior comments from Urs, my understanding is that it's about 1) will osc and filter modules from synth X bring something new to the Diva table and 2) does a particular synth's architecture fit the Diva paradigm? Repro-1's modulation scheme wouldn't work in the Diva architecture, and it wouldn't have been a Pro-One emulation without that particular feature. Now, would the oscs and filter alone really add that much without the modulation scheme? My guess is Urs felt it would just work better as a standalone product.

Now, he's stated he feels the Synthex filter is different enough to really add something to Diva and could easily be dropped into the exixsting Diva paradigm. While Diva's swappable approach could get close to 1:1 emulations, it was always about being it's own thing. Some of these more esoteric synths just work better as 1:1 models IMO. I LOVE Repro-1 and the Legend because they're so close to being 1:1 recreations. Diva is my next most used synth, but I love it for different reasons. There's room for both.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:33 am

rosschehayeb wrote:So is Diva, as a concept, dead?

To the contrary.

However, there are some synthesizers I absolutely love - and I want to emulater them faithfully. Imagine we did a Roland System 100M. Would you expect us to add those modules into Diva? Surely not!

Diva as a concept is all about keeping parameter ranges within a sweet spot that the reference synths we used might agree on. Take FilterFM. We used a +/- 2 octave range for Osc->Cutoff modulation, as this was what we found in our Minimoog. None of the other synths had FilterFM, so it was a good idea to just do it like it was in the Mini. So far so good.

However, the SCI Pro-1 has a 12 octave range for FilterFM, and even beyond that if the filter would handle it. So adding this to Diva would have either broken the concept (each module has same parameter ranges) or crippled the emulation.

Another example is the modulation section Funkybot's Evil Twin mentioned. We could certainly add something like it to Diva, on another sub page or something. But not only would the CPU cost go up dramatically, it would also make Diva much more complicated. And that's not what we want.

So whatever we add to Diva in future must a) be suitable to existing parameter ranges and b) fit into the architecture.

Funny enough, Synthex inspired modules would, but Prophet-5 ones wouldn't. And neither does the Cat (or it's polyphonic sister, the Voyetra-8).

Apart from that, yes, creating a new product is a very profitable thing. It helps us keep the maintenance/upgrade cost of our other products low and sometimes it also just saves our ass when cash flow was a tad low for a few months

rosschehayeb · Post by **rosschehayeb** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:30 am

Oh I didn't realize the difference in octaves for the osc>cutoff modulation.

For a frame of reference, what is the octave range for oscillator>cutoff modulation for Bazille and for the Zebra FM module?

aaron aardvark · Post by **aaron aardvark** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:55 am

The last time I saw a Cat synth in the flesh was over 30 years ago. I have never seen a Voyetra 8 in person. Despite the Octave name (though only one has the Plateau in the name?), I never tied the two together as being from the same company. If a Repro-5 can be made from a Repro-1, can a ReCat-1 be made into a ReVoyetra-8? If a Repro-5 is feasible, will it cost extra if you already own Repro-1?

In an old job of mine I designed two different drilling-type rigs to attach to two different Caterpillars (one was a pipe-carrying-bulldozer-type-of-Cat, the other was attached to a big Cat front end loader).

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:47 am

i really thought Dave @ GForce would have done a Cat by now. I reckon he'd nail it.

spunkmuffin · Post by **spunkmuffin** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:11 am

I am very happy for there to be a ReVoytera-8 from u-He as long as there is a Cat first.

But a Repro-5 has to happen first because people are gagging for that. That will be around October to November because that is the best time to release a synth from last years Repro-1 experience...and because u-He cannot release 2 products at the same time then the Cat will be in 2018...and the Voytera clone in 2019.....then Zebra 3 in 2020.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:39 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Not quite. You will need to own RePro-1 to get Repro-5.

Have you got a link to where a uhe member of staff stated that as a fact, please?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:00 am

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 5#p6566595

Option 3.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1#p6566881

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... #p=6566900

spunkmuffin · Post by **spunkmuffin** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:04 am

Oh yeah! If Repro-5 is an upgrade from Repro-1, then maybe U-He can bring out a second product this year. Imagine if we got Repro-5 AND The Cat this year! That would be so cool.

Actually I just watched the Gforce Youtube video on The Cat again and it's quite a heavy-duty synth - there is no way U-he can model that this year as well as working on Zebra and doing Repro-5. U-he really has their work cut out for this year.

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