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urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:29 pm

Hey guys!
In the last few days I was busy copying the (unison) oscillators of a well-known synthesizer (software). That's what I've done. The result is close to the original.
Now is still missing some fine work so the whole thing has a more round effect:
CPU saving (I've started using event-delays for it).
Every now and then I hear a sinus sound every few seconds. I ask myself where it comes from.
Also missing are modified LFOs. But I wanted to have the base first.
Maybe someone of you is ready to optimize this patch with me?

Thanks and cheers

runaudio · Post by **runaudio** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:58 pm

Taifunk is your guy also check this http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 9&t=470299

urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:01 pm

thanks for the link

The whole work at the weekend was unnecessary

runaudio · Post by **runaudio** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:10 pm

urvieh wrote:thanks for the link The whole work at the weekend was unnecessary

Maybe you and him can work on it together toget it to sound close to sylenth

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:33 pm

Of course, feel free to re-use my patches

Unfortunately I do not particularly like this synth,I'm happy to leave the project to you urvieh

jokes aside,if you need a collaborator I'm here,no problem

I have the demo installed and I want to take a look in depth, a question just for curiosity,what are the presets that you guys like in Sylenth?(in the demo)

urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:58 am

Taifunk wrote:Of course, feel free to re-use my patches
Unfortunately I do not particularly like this synth,I'm happy to leave the project to you urvieh
jokes aside,if you need a collaborator I'm here,no problem

I have the demo installed and I want to take a look in depth, a question just for curiosity,what are the presets that you guys like in Sylenth?(in the demo)

Thank you Taifunk!
i think most of the Patches of sylenth can also be done by using musynth(s). i did so in the past. but i really like the workflow and of course the unison-option on the front-panel. it also handles the detune a bit different.
i'll have a closer look at your patch later this day. i am happy that you are interessted.

urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:04 am

runaudio wrote:
urvieh wrote:thanks for the link The whole work at the weekend was unnecessary
Maybe you and him can work on it together toget it to sound close to sylenth

and thanks runaudio.
For this we need a lot of motivation because it is a lot of work. Is it worth the work?

runaudio · Post by **runaudio** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:34 am

Well worth the work to show how powerful mux really is

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:48 am

urvieh wrote:Thank you Taifunk!
i think most of the Patches of sylenth can also be done by using musynth(s). i did so in the past. but i really like the workflow and of course the unison-option on the front-panel. it also handles the detune a bit different.
i'll have a closer look at your patch later this day. i am happy that you are interessted.

You're welcome

I've done this question because I tried to replicate some sylenth sound in my patch to compare the cpu consumption,unfortunately the test speaks for itself,I got almost the same sound but the patch becomes unusable.

I agree that the controls on the front panel are the most useful part but I avoided to add this to my patch due to the CPU overload,Imagine if you have to make a bass or lead sound with a patch that uses 36 oscillators,you must first turn off all oscillators to have a decent CPU load

however, we can try,oscillators and audio routing can be easily replicated but we have to stop at this point and not go further because the modulation becomes really a problem,like you play a C4 note and the PC turns off,Is it worth the work?

runaudio wrote:Well worth the work to show how powerful mux really is

to do this we need to clone a virus

urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:58 am

Taifunk wrote: I agree that the controls on the front panel are the most useful part but I avoided to add this to my patch due to the CPU overload,Imagine if you have to make a bass or lead sound with a patch that uses 36 oscillators,you must first turn off all oscillators to have a decent CPU load
however, we can try,oscillators and audio routing can be easily replicated but we have to stop at this point and not go further because the modulation becomes really a problem,like you play a C4 note and the PC turns off,Is it worth the work?

Perhaps here comes my solution. We don't let the events pass trough oscilliators wich are not in use. So you can safe alot of CPU-power. To turn an oscillator off, i took an eventdelay with nearly endless delay-time. So no signal comes to this oscillator.

urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:23 pm

OK. here is a simplified patch. only one super saw oscillator. compared to sylenth it seems identically in sound an CPU:
1: INIT-Patch
2: all Voices on for only one Oscillator
3: Filter on, but not modulated

sylenth_simple_jf_1.zip

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:43 pm

ok it seems very acceptable

we have to see if it works when the patch is completed,
In the first patch I set the amp envelope >to main envelope,so the CPU load is stable
Here you can see why this is necessary:
https://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mux/polysynth.html
I had a look in depth at the patch and did a quick presets,added a step sequencer chord > synth to test the patch,
how much cpu eat the patch on your system?

urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:10 pm

Taifunk wrote: I had a look in depth at the patch and did a quick presets,added a step sequencer chord > synth to test the patch,

Thanks! i didn't knew that

Taifunk wrote: how much cpu eat the patch on your system?

It eats half the CPU, now...

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:33 pm

unfortunately, same here

I tried to do another test,something like the dominator preset but I had to stop>cpu overload
I do not know if it's worth it to do all that work,it seems that will become a really bad headache

urvieh · Post by **urvieh** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:02 pm

ok. another idea is to reduce the number of oscillators.is there a way to detune the incoming event before it passes the oscillator?

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