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greenfly wrote: ....or just buy the excellent ToneBoosters Reelbus for a one time low price. It's all swings and roundabouts and I have to admit I do appreciate vendors like TB who offer quality products at sensible prices.
Yes, no doubt. That was just an example, it was not meant to be an endorsement. I do have Kramer Master Tape, but, while I won't call it a "regret", I wouldn't buy it today if I didn't already have it. I picked it up early in my "Waves exploration" back when I really didn't have much of anything in the way of mixing and mastering tools.
I agree with your earlier analysis. I worked out the other day my total cost at Plugin Alliance over the years I have been buying their plugins. I have 38 of their plugins, pretty much 80-90% of each of their section, dynamics, eq etc. The only plugins I don't buy from them are the ones for guitar processing but I have most of the others. I reckon on average I paid $19 a plugin from PA, but the trick is too be patient, bide your time and take advantage of custom bundle discounts when a heap of them go on sale.
Exactly. Especially those $9 plugs. I recently picked up all of the Unfiltered audio stuff for about $20 each, but, the trick was to buy a boatload of the $9 plugins (which were essentially free).

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OreoSplitter wrote:Spire Synth
sale $129.00 vs $189.00
https://www.jrrshop.com/reveal-sound-spire
But sadly yesterday was the last day (it was actually a 10 days long sale). So i missed it. BUT thankfully, Uncle E stepped in and got me a one day extension for the sale. So for today it's available again for $129... ;)

Thanks Uncle E.

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ghettosynth wrote: Exactly. Especially those $9 plugs. I recently picked up all of the Unfiltered audio stuff for about $20 each, but, the trick was to buy a boatload of the $9 plugins (which were essentially free).


 
I have those SPL micro plugs coming out of my ears but have only included them once in my count of a total of 38 plugins.
Some other starting price points for PA stuff seems to be plain ridiculous. I don't think I could ever justify paying $299 for a single plugin and it'd be good to listen to the arguments of those that can justify these price tags.

Unfiltered Audio are great but they also serve as a good example in relation to the worth of a plugin because when they weren't under the PA banner, they offered their plugins similar to Toonebooster prices. I wonder if the prices went up to ensure UA didn't lose out after PA took their cut from the revenue.  That's why developers like Toneboosters, Cytomic, Klaghelm, Sonimus etc prove that if you have a good set of ears then the price of a plugin is largely dependent on the numbers of people working for a particular organization. More people = More expensive Plugin.    More people doesn't necessarily mean a better quality plugin.

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AegisPrime wrote:
greenfly wrote:....or just buy the excellent ToneBoosters Reelbus for a one time low price. It's all swings and roundabouts and I have to admit I do appreciate vendors like TB who offer quality products at sensible prices.
I definitely prefer to support the smaller devs like ToneBoosters when I can - they tend to have less onerous licensing schemes too which is always appreciated.
So true. Many of them allow for more than one machine. When Waves has stuff mega cheap or free I buy them for 2nd system. That is my rant about Waves. Some iLok stuff has more than one machine limit.

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greenfly wrote:
ghettosynth wrote: Exactly. Especially those $9 plugs. I recently picked up all of the Unfiltered audio stuff for about $20 each, but, the trick was to buy a boatload of the $9 plugins (which were essentially free).


 
I have those SPL micro plugs coming out of my ears but have only included them once in my count of a total of 38 plugins.
Some other starting price points for PA stuff seems to be plain ridiculous. I don't think I could ever justify paying $299 for a single plugin and it'd be good to listen to the arguments of those that can justify these price tags.
My most expensive single plugin came in a bundle. I picked up the Ircam Studio Pack (on sale) to get Verb 3. I have yet to hear anything that sounds as much like natural space in an algorithmic verb. The only thing that gets me excited about more expensive plugins is clear technological advantage that is more than just someone's opinion. You don't get this overnight, Ircam has a solid history.

That said, I don't think that anything that PA sells is worth that much to me. Nor Waves for that matter.
Unfiltered Audio are great but they also serve as a good example in relation to the worth of a plugin because when they weren't under the PA banner, they offered their plugins similar to Toonebooster prices. I wonder if the prices went up to ensure UA didn't lose out after PA took their cut from the revenue.  That's why developers like Toneboosters, Cytomic, Klaghelm, Sonimus etc prove that if you have a good set of ears then the price of a plugin is largely dependent on the numbers of people working for a particular organization. More people = More expensive Plugin.    More people doesn't necessarily mean a better quality plugin.
I didn't know that, but I agree. That said, I do think that the UA stuff is in the $20 bracket. It's fun stuff, but not the kind of thing that I think is worth a lot of money. They were at the edge of what I wanted to pay for them TBH.

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Imperfect Samples 40% Off Sale Until March 31st 2017
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/imperfect ... 2017-36638

These pianos have been on my mind for years now.
Which to get?
Really like Steinway & Sons 1908 Walnut Concert Grand http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... dpiano.php
Can now be had $180
Can the sound of of the pedal sound be reduce and/eliminated?

I really like sweet sounding pianos.
Romantic and slightly imperfect.

Help me which to get or not to get.
I have the Fluffy Piano
https://fluffyaudio.com/shop/mypiano/
My current favorite.

My concern is that I cannot sell this plugin.
Last edited by Kalamata Kid on Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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greenfly wrote:
ghettosynth wrote: Exactly. Especially those $9 plugs. I recently picked up all of the Unfiltered audio stuff for about $20 each, but, the trick was to buy a boatload of the $9 plugins (which were essentially free).


 
I have those SPL micro plugs coming out of my ears but have only included them once in my count of a total of 38 plugins.
Some other starting price points for PA stuff seems to be plain ridiculous. I don't think I could ever justify paying $299 for a single plugin and it'd be good to listen to the arguments of those that can justify these price tags.

Unfiltered Audio are great but they also serve as a good example in relation to the worth of a plugin because when they weren't under the PA banner, they offered their plugins similar to Toonebooster prices. I wonder if the prices went up to ensure UA didn't lose out after PA took their cut from the revenue.  That's why developers like Toneboosters, Cytomic, Klaghelm, Sonimus etc prove that if you have a good set of ears then the price of a plugin is largely dependent on the numbers of people working for a particular organization. More people = More expensive Plugin.    More people doesn't necessarily mean a better quality plugin.
I always wonder about the prices. I really doubt they sell any for that price. It is most likely set so that when they go on "sale" at the real price it looks good. "Hey we have plugins for 90% off!!!!" It's getting to the point that to sell plugins, you need to have a sale and get people excited. But to afford a sale, you have to have your normal prices at least 3 times what you need to charge to make a profit. And hey, if someone is stupid or needy enough to pay full price, well great for the manufacturer! This is like jewelry stores. They have a normal mark-up of 300% of cost. So a 50% off sale still brings in a profit.

Whereas companies like Waves - they have made their costs back on the initial development a long time ago for the majority of their plugins. So the sales keeps people interested and helps cover the overhead. They are now in the Walmart sell in bulk to make our money mode for the majority of their products. It helps they have a decent product. I'm guessing they also have really good base programming to which they just can change a few things to make new plugins.

Just my take on things.

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Bargains thread on page 666. What could that mean? :hyper:
No signature here!

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Kalamata Kid wrote:Imperfect Samples 40% Off Sale Until March 31st 2017
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/imperfect ... 2017-36638

These pianos have been on my mind for years now.
Which to get?
Really like Steinway & Sons 1908 Walnut Concert Grand http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... dpiano.php
Can now be had $180
Can the sound of of the pedal sound be reduce and/eliminated?

I really like sweet sounding pianos.
Romantic and slightly imperfect.

Help me which to get or not to get.
I have the Fluffy Piano
https://fluffyaudio.com/shop/mypiano/
My current favorite.

My concern is that I cannot sell this plugin.
I have the Steinway Basic version. I tend to forget I have it because it is not a Kontakt Instrument, so you have to load it from the files.

Frankly, when I got it, I wasn't that impressed. That said, I decided to try it again before I wrote this. I added PSP's piano verb and threw some chords on Cubase with an arp. It sounded so much better than when I just try to play it in Kontakt using my keyboard. For some reason, Kontakt receives a minimal velocity signal from my Lauchkey, no matter how hard I pound on it and the piano sounds flat - as in no reverb that you normally hear with a piano which gives it that great piano sound you hear in the samples.

The Pro version may have more. It definitely has more layers and RR's. I just wasn't sure at the time that I wanted to spend that much.

As for the FX? You can turn it off or down. There is a rare/sometimes/often/always choice and you can select whether to turn on/off the pedal, the key up and the finger FX and there is a volume setting for each.

If you search on the various VST piano threads out there, I think the Fazioli is a little more popular, but I like the warmer pianos myself.

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dzilizzi wrote:
Kalamata Kid wrote:Imperfect Samples 40% Off Sale Until March 31st 2017
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/imperfect ... 2017-36638

These pianos have been on my mind for years now.
Which to get?
Really like Steinway & Sons 1908 Walnut Concert Grand http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... dpiano.php
Can now be had $180
Can the sound of of the pedal sound be reduce and/eliminated?

I really like sweet sounding pianos.
Romantic and slightly imperfect.

Help me which to get or not to get.
I have the Fluffy Piano
https://fluffyaudio.com/shop/mypiano/
My current favorite.

My concern is that I cannot sell this plugin.
I have the Steinway Basic version. I tend to forget I have it because it is not a Kontakt Instrument, so you have to load it from the files.

Frankly, when I got it, I wasn't that impressed. That said, I decided to try it again before I wrote this. I added PSP's piano verb and threw some chords on Cubase with an arp. It sounded so much better than when I just try to play it in Kontakt using my keyboard. For some reason, Kontakt receives a minimal velocity signal from my Lauchkey, no matter how hard I pound on it and the piano sounds flat - as in no reverb that you normally hear with a piano which gives it that great piano sound you hear in the samples.

The Pro version may have more. It definitely has more layers and RR's. I just wasn't sure at the time that I wanted to spend that much.

As for the FX? You can turn it off or down. There is a rare/sometimes/often/always choice and you can select whether to turn on/off the pedal, the key up and the finger FX and there is a volume setting for each.

If you search on the various VST piano threads out there, I think the Fazioli is a little more popular, but I like the warmer pianos myself.
dzilizzi,
Thanks for the detailed response.

Fur Elise
(Complete) version, Perspective 2
http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... /index.php
Is at least at this moment the best virtual piano I have heard.

So now I am shifting from the
Steinway & Sons 1908 Walnut Concert Grand http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... dpiano.php
To the Fazoli. I had heard this before but today it has almost convinced me that is is the better choice.

Glad you mentioned the PSP Piano verb. I have both the free and the paid version.

I understand that the imperfect pianos are available for Kontakt 4 or newer.
I assume Kontakt as a standalone and VSTi? Why are you having issues?
I am not that computer savvy so this could be the deal breaker.

Also another deal breaker it that if I loose the samples I am out of luck.

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Kalamata Kid wrote: dzilizzi,
Thanks for the detailed response.

Fur Elise
(Complete) version, Perspective 2
http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... /index.php
Is at least at this moment the best virtual piano I have heard.

So now I am shifting form the
Really like Steinway & Sons 1908 Walnut Concert Grand http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... dpiano.php
To the Fazoli. I had heard this before but today it has almost convinced me that is is the better choice.

Glad you mentioned the PSP Piano verb. I have both the free and the paid version.

I understand that the imperfect pianos are available for Kontakt 4 or newer.
I assume Kontakt as a standalone and VSTi? Why are you having issues?
I am not that computer savvy so this could be the deal breaker.

Also another deal breaker it that if I loose the samples I am out of luck.
I went back and realized I have the Pro version - 2 mics. There are four levels of product. The top one has 4 mic positions and more RR's.

It only works with Kontakt full version, so yes to standalone and VSTi. Anytime Kontakt will run, you can load it.

The thing with the launchkey happens with all the Kontakt instruments for me. Not just Imperfect Samples. If your keyboard works with Kontakt, you shouldn't have a problem.

The pro version comes in 5 RAR files that add up to just under 8 GBs. I have the RAR files on a back up drive and versions of the Kontakt folder on 2 computers. You could probably fit them on 2 DVDs. Matt will let you redownload, but he says he may have to charge a small fee because I guess it costs him money to set it up. He posts over at Gearslutz every once in a while. I haven't seen him here. He seems like a nice guy.

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dzilizzi wrote:
Kalamata Kid wrote: dzilizzi,
Thanks for the detailed response.

Fur Elise
(Complete) version, Perspective 2
http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... /index.php
Is at least at this moment the best virtual piano I have heard.

So now I am shifting form the
Really like Steinway & Sons 1908 Walnut Concert Grand http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... dpiano.php
To the Fazoli. I had heard this before but today it has almost convinced me that is is the better choice.

Glad you mentioned the PSP Piano verb. I have both the free and the paid version.

I understand that the imperfect pianos are available for Kontakt 4 or newer.
I assume Kontakt as a standalone and VSTi? Why are you having issues?
I am not that computer savvy so this could be the deal breaker.

Also another deal breaker it that if I loose the samples I am out of luck.
I went back and realized I have the Pro version - 2 mics. There are four levels of product. The top one has 4 mic positions and more RR's.

It only works with Kontakt full version, so yes to standalone and VSTi. Anytime Kontakt will run, you can load it.

The thing with the launchkey happens with all the Kontakt instruments for me. Not just Imperfect Samples. If your keyboard works with Kontakt, you shouldn't have a problem.

The pro version comes in 5 RAR files that add up to just under 8 GBs. I have the RAR files on a back up drive and versions of the Kontakt folder on 2 computers. You could probably fit them on 2 DVDs. Matt will let you redownload, but he says he may have to charge a small fee because I guess it costs him money to set it up. He posts over at Gearslutz every once in a while. I haven't seen him here. He seems like a nice guy.
Do the low keys on Seasons sound muffled to you? http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... mplete.php

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vstbuzz wrote:VSTBuzz: 75% off “Pro Sound Effects Credit Bundle” - Normally €84.99 now €19.99!

More information at http://vstbuzz.com/deals/75-off-pro-sou ... it-bundle/
I get that there's a market for this, but...whatever...

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Kalamata Kid wrote:
Do the low keys on Seasons sound muffled to you? http://www.imperfectsamples.com/website ... mplete.php
I couldn't really tell. The speakers on my internet surfing computer are not the best.

So I checked out low notes on my Steinway and they sound as muddy as low notes on my parents baby grand sound. So, maybe not very? I think if there are too many of them, they are just noise. But individual notes sound fine. I then compared it to the low notes on my True Piano's Steinway D and Fazioli. Wow. I thought the True Keys pianos sounded pretty good. But they sound a little muddy compared to the Imperfect Samples. Now this could be because the True Keys come with reverb already. It's not that they sound bad, just not as good?

Well, shoot. Now I may have to think about either upgrading this one to the complete - which is actually almost a no-brainer at less than $36, or getting the Fazioli Pro.

Okay, just checked the exchange rates. They are pretty good right now....

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ghettosynth wrote:
vstbuzz wrote:VSTBuzz: 75% off “Pro Sound Effects Credit Bundle” - Normally €84.99 now €19.99!

More information at http://vstbuzz.com/deals/75-off-pro-sou ... it-bundle/
I get that there's a market for this, but...whatever...
So the regular price is about $1.50 a sound? Seems kind of high.

I guess if you are doing game design, a tiger's roar may come in handy :D

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