License model no way !!!

[terminus_one]

if you subscribe to a magazine or newspaper, but then end the subscription, the old issues you have already received doesn't stop "working" either..

So… any piece of software you buy that doesn't provide lifetime upgrades is a subscription?

[tor.helge.skei]

if you subscribe to a magazine or newspaper, but then end the subscription, the old issues you have already received doesn't stop "working" either..

So… any piece of software you buy that doesn't provide lifetime upgrades is a subscription?

i didn't say that

[pekbro]

The bottom line is that Bitwig needs money to survive and continue
to grow. They are not are not a huge company, they are not owned by one.
They don't make hardware etc.

I suspect such a drastic change in policy wasn't made because they had tons
of options available to them. If you want bitwig studio to continue to grow,
then support them. If you don't care and find the new lic. model unreasonable,
then don't.

simple...

[pdxindy]

if you subscribe to a magazine or newspaper, but then end the subscription, the old issues you have already received doesn't stop "working" either..

If you want to define subscription as including Bitwig's model, I don't want to fight over definitions.

But there is a very big difference between losing the ability to use the software at all when you do not pay money and being able to keep using whatever version is your last for as long as you want. That needs to be clear IMO

My definition of subscription is based on that difference.

[Fleer]

The bottom line is that Bitwig needs money to survive and continue
to grow. They are not are not a huge company, they are not owned by one.
They don't make hardware etc.

I suspect such a drastic change in policy wasn't made because they had tons
of options available to them. If you want bitwig studio to continue to grow,
then support them.

I think you are right but I wish they had taken a different road, like "purchase Bitwig full version and get three years of upgrades included".

[pekbro]

I imagine if they succeed in staying afloat, other options will
present themselves down the road. Limited time lifetime upgrade
sales to gain quick capitol etc...

At least for now, they've made it as easy as possible for folks
to support them as they are able. And they don't have to work
around planned version upgrades, which would typically require them
to sit on features while waiting for them to ship.

-Cheers

[Fleer]

Agree. Would be terrible to see them go down.

[Tearing Riots]

50 pages and it seems noone has read the eula.

*grabs more popcorn*

[Fleer]

Gone with the eula eula boys ...

[pekbro]

If you think about it, its really kind of a ballsy way of going about it.
Essentially, they are betting that they can provide enough interesting
content and features to make people want to continue to pay on a yearly
basis. That has to be the primary target of their business model.

In a way, for me, its kind of exciting to see what they could possibly come up
with to swing all that. I could see it happening if they are smart and continue
to push forward and open up the modularity ASAP.

Let the community help to grow Bitwig's worth. They should see this
as an method to naturally promote longevity (in marketing terms).

-Cheers

[maschinelf]

The bottom line is that Bitwig needs money to survive and continue
to grow. They are not are not a huge company, they are not owned by one.
They don't make hardware etc.

I suspect such a drastic change in policy wasn't made because they had tons
of options available to them. If you want bitwig studio to continue to grow,
then support them. If you don't care and find the new lic. model unreasonable,
then don't.

simple...

My thoughts exactly. That's why I'm hoping Bitwig team offer a limited time lifetime upgrade offer soon. I say take my money, and at this crucial juncture in their development as a company, I would imagine that more liquidity and cash flow would only be a good thing.

So if they charge say $599 for existing users (which is a little less than what they would get from the same customer in a 4 year period), I would gladly pay it. No one seems to have really commented or responded to this suggestion from a few pages back, and I've thought of starting a poll thread to see how many people would be interested in such an offer. I also agree that it's a ballsy move, and it will be interesting to see how much useful content and updates they are able to provide.

[bolba]

Okay, so you just want to pay them more without exchange for something specific?

[bolba]

In any way, I believe Bitwig's team just failed on communication of (even if cosmetic) license changes.
Here how proper explanation can look:
https://corona-renderer.com/prices-licensing/fairsaas/ (I'm not talking about the exact subscription model, rather about information presentation)
All the questions are answered. All the apprehensions seems to be foreseen.
Here is rough road map for next releases: https://trello.com/b/EfPE4kPx/corona-road-map-3ds-max

You have options to support developers and buy perpetual license (which includes all the _free_ upgrades till 2.0 released).


And while that situation is unsolved - it's definitely harms Bitwig sales.

[maschinelf]

[Fleer]

I'm afraid no one responded to your suggestion because few actually approve. I for one would prefer the "old" Bitwig approach: if you purchase BWS (2.0) at launch, you get 3 years of included updates. But, by any means, start a poll thread.