Bitwig

T71 · Post by **T71** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:56 am

Fleer wrote:Price is down to $200 for Bitwig 2.0 in the sales threads.
Come on guys, drop the license model

Sales threads?

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:04 am

Fleer wrote:Price is down to $200 for Bitwig 2.0 in the sales threads.
Come on guys, drop the license model

Why? The value on the second hand market has no influence on the revenue generated for Bitwig.

dentnile · Post by **dentnile** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:46 am

mgw38 wrote:
Fleer wrote:Price is down to $200 for Bitwig 2.0 in the sales threads.
Come on guys, drop the license model
Why? The value on the second hand market has no influence on the revenue generated for Bitwig.

Unless more people takes a chance on a product with a high second hand value.

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:03 pm

I guess it would be interesting to have a tiered system with professionals and hobbyists. The latter would still enjoy free upgrades but no instant support or professional features. Bitwig is really worth it to have lots of users, pro and amateur alike. Simply amazing music environment.

xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:42 pm

liquidsound wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote:
Fleer wrote:Maybe the guys behind Bitwig could distinctly focus on two customer groups: professionals and hobbyists.
+1

A lot of companies now have commercial and non-commercial version of their software/license.
Do they really have these two choices? Really?

In the audio world it's not really there yet but Reaper is kind of doing it with its $60/$225 license model.

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:49 pm

dentnile wrote:
mgw38 wrote:
Fleer wrote:Price is down to $200 for Bitwig 2.0 in the sales threads.
Come on guys, drop the license model
Why? The value on the second hand market has no influence on the revenue generated for Bitwig.
Unless more people takes a chance on a product with a high second hand value.

I don't think people treat this as an investment decision. At least they shouldn't.
Logic Pro X has no second hand value at all.

BlackStarMuzic · Post by **BlackStarMuzic** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:17 am

nonplussed_ wrote:"I know exactly what you're talking about, and no, that sort of thing is extremely rare in audio production programs."

I just want to chime in and say, to a certain extent it depends on what you mean by the hobby/professional division, but FL, Ableton, and Studio One (all other DAWs that I'm familiar with) have a $100 or less beginner option that suffices for learners and ppl doing fairly simple work.

Abletons 100$ option is absolute garbage for anybody that wants to produce real music 16 tracks is not enough and if I remember studio one has their limitations as well so that is not a good option. If you're really going to be that simple about it go with Audacity its free.

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Man up save your money make a decision or move on to a different DAW.

if not in that is too difficult check it out here http://shop.avid.com/ccrz__Products?cat ... er=&store= they could've easily gone this route so if it's such a big deal complain to ProTools while you're at it this entire argument on this has gotten so far out of hand that it's no longer productive and really should be closed.

Scotty · Post by **Scotty** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:27 am

I've accepted their licencing model so I am just going wait it out until the product is so compelling that I can't resist the upgrade price. This is actually good discipline for me. Usually an update comes out for something I love and I don't even think twice. This is good.

Enrize · Post by **Enrize** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:26 am

dom@bitwig wrote:It is even more fair and transparent compared to us deciding "Ok, now we call it version 3 and make you pay" without you knowing how long the life cycle of version 2 will be. In that case you would not even know how long you will get updates for your 2.0 investment.

This new model enables us to completely forget about those things and just machine gun out features as we go. We thought a lot about it and decided to do that brave step as we think it is the best for both sides.

Cheers,
Dom

Excuse me, but this is not looks like "machine gun"...at all.

operator · Post by **operator** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:28 am

johnnyboy5000 · Post by **johnnyboy5000** » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:06 am

I had to wait till I had the money. So I sold the korg Volca Bass and my midipal. I'm proud of myself that I didn't put on credit. Bitwig 2 is well worth the money. Better start saving for next year. Too bad there wasn't a pay by month option. Photoshop cost 9.99 a month for a one year subscription.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:11 pm

BlackStarMuzic wrote: Abletons 100$ option is absolute garbage for anybody that wants to produce real music 16 tracks is not enough and if I remember studio one has their limitations as well so that is not a good option. If you're really going to be that simple about it go with Audacity its free.

The Beatles finally got an 8-track tape machine for their 9th studio album. 16-trackers became popular in the early 1970s. Guess no real music was made before that.

I normally use less than 8 tracks of Live Lite, keep in mind that Drum Racks in Ableton are practically 256 individually mixable tracks with their own insert FX and send FX structures. Track count obviously depends on the style of music, I make music with synths and there simply isn't sonic space for dozens of synths playing at the same time.

I'm still following Bitwig development to see how this licence model pans out, so far the pace has been as glacial as before it seems. Hopefully there's a substantial update before the end of the year?

operator · Post by **operator** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:12 pm

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ThePhonk · Post by **ThePhonk** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:11 am

stamp wrote:
sawsq wrote:
dom@bitwig wrote: (...) and renew your license if we introduce a feature you are interested in.
@Dom: I'm pretty cool with the new model in general, but here's a question:
So, let's say I keep waiting for 3 or 4 years, happily using my increasingly outdated version, while you're adding new features, bugfixes, etc. Will the renewal after that time be 159€ still, and will I get all the stuff you added in between? I can't imagine this - what's the plan for this scenario?
I'm curious, too.

So am I. Has this been answered yet? If so, can someone please point me to that answer, as I cannot find it? If not, can we get an answer please?

To rephrase the question: what does "renew your license" cost? 380 € or 160 €?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:39 am

ThePhonk wrote:
stamp wrote:
sawsq wrote:
dom@bitwig wrote: (...) and renew your license if we introduce a feature you are interested in.
@Dom: I'm pretty cool with the new model in general, but here's a question:
So, let's say I keep waiting for 3 or 4 years, happily using my increasingly outdated version, while you're adding new features, bugfixes, etc. Will the renewal after that time be 159€ still, and will I get all the stuff you added in between? I can't imagine this - what's the plan for this scenario?
I'm curious, too.
So am I. Has this been answered yet? If so, can someone please point me to that answer, as I cannot find it? If not, can we get an answer please?

To rephrase the question: what does "renew your license" cost? 380 € or 160 €?

It is $169 (cheaper on sale) regardless of how long you wait... of course that can be changed in the future, but that is where it stands now.

If you want an answer from Bitwig, email them directly. They hardly ever post in this forum.

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License model no way !!!