A Freeze Tip for the Clueless Like Me

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I've just found a work-around for a workflow problem that I'm sure is glaringly obvious to most... but for those out there as dense as me, I thought I'd share my experience, just in case. :)

One thing that has been giving me heartburn is the way Tracktion/Waveform handles track freezing and traditional busses. I always work with a reference track to compare against my current mix. Of course, you don't want the reference mix track running through your master effects, so I create a track called 'Master' where I place the master effects, and run everything through it except the reference track.

(I'm sure there are other methods involving outputing the reference track directly to a different set of channels, but my current interface only supports the stereo out).

Unfortunately, if your track in Tracktion/Waveform is pointed at anything other than the built-in master bus, you can't freeze the track individually, or use the super handy freeze point plugin... you can only freeze the track it feeds into. So my SOP when I needed to save some CPU cycles on a track was to do a full render of the track, do some renaming, then disable and hide the original track. It isn't a big deal, but it's obviously much more time-consuming than simply dropping a freeze point on the track!

I was hoping this freezing behavior would change in Waveform, but alas it's still the same. But while testing things out I discovered my glaringly obvious work-around: When it's time to freeze, all you need to do is temporarily set the track to output to the built-in master out, then you're free to freeze to your heart's content before resetting the track output back to the home-made master bus track for further editing, which will accept the already frozen track just fine.

Yes, simple and obvious, but opaque to me. I hope this helps anyone else in the same predicament.

Happy Waveforming... and it makes me wonder, are we now to be called Waveformers instead of Tracktioneers? ;)
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That sounds like a lot of work - why not just put your non-reference tracks inside a submix, make that submix your master track (with whatever plugins you need) and freeze anything you like inside it?

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I believe I learned to shy away from sub mixes after experiencing very strange behavior in the past, and besides, sub mixes and folder tracks don't appear to work that way: if you create a sub mix with a frozen track inside, the sub mix effects section is frozen as well and you can't add or modify effects. And currently if I attempt to freeze existing content using the freeze button or the freeze point plug in on tracks inside a submix, nothing happens. :)
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017), 4.2 GHz Intel Core i7
Radeon Pro 580 8 GB
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Waveform 11 Pro/Studio One Pro 3.5

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tovokas wrote:besides, sub mixes and folder tracks don't appear to work that way:
Folder tracks are of limited use basically just adding a VCA to a group - I rarely use them - submixes are indispensable to the way I work though since I use them to bus stuff together and apply bus compression/EQ etc.
tovokas wrote:if you create a sub mix with a frozen track inside, the sub mix effects section is frozen as well and you can't add or modify effects.
Yes, that is odd how it freezes the submix plugins too - I hadn't noticed it before since I rarely freeze stuff. They should probably fix/review that behavior.
tovokas wrote:And currently if I attempt to freeze existing content using the freeze button or the freeze point plug in on tracks inside a submix, nothing happens. :)
Not seeing this at all - anything I pick to be frozen works as it should..?

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AegisPrime wrote:
tovokas wrote:And currently if I attempt to freeze existing content using the freeze button or the freeze point plug in on tracks inside a submix, nothing happens.
Not seeing this at all - anything I pick to be frozen works as it should..?
A bug I guess: even after a reboot, when I attempt to freeze a track inside a submix, I get an error message that says "Couldn't render, as the selected region was empty". Attempting to add a freeze point fails without any message. The same tracks freeze just fine when moved out of the submix.

I'll send a report and log to the devs. :)
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017), 4.2 GHz Intel Core i7
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