how to route to bus?

[Boutbeats]

Dear Forum,

I tried a few things but i am not getting where i want to be... I just want to make a bus so i can send multiple channels there.
i want a channel to output to a bus not send the signal..

I did try aux send and return plugin but that is not the way to go right?

Thanks!
Flo

[AGreen]

There are a number of ways. Select the tracks you want then right click and select "Create submix track containing .." This will make a submix folder track. Alternatively select the tracks then set the outputs to another track in the control panel destination section.

[Boutbeats]

Perfect, thank you very much AGreen!

[solomute]

Why the heck there are only 16 buses available? Why not make unlimited number of busses? The advice to route the track to another track is really bad because in this case the volume meter of the receiving track will be used insted of that of the sending track. And imagine you want to send signal from more tracks to that plugin of the receing track. If you also redirect there outputs to the input of the receiving track, you also lose control over volume metering and many other processing possibilities which can result in a muddy mix. In the past there was senderella plugin to route between tracks. Not it does not work at all. And that small number of busses limits your creativity. Wrapping plugins into racks cannot substitute busses in all cases.

[AGreen]

Why the heck there are only 16 buses available? Why not make unlimited number of busses? The advice to route the track to another track is really bad because in this case the volume meter of the receiving track will be used insted of that of the sending track. And imagine you want to send signal from more tracks to that plugin of the receing track. If you also redirect there outputs to the input of the receiving track, you also lose control over volume metering and many other processing possibilities which can result in a muddy mix. In the past there was senderella plugin to route between tracks. Not it does not work at all. And that small number of busses limits your creativity. Wrapping plugins into racks cannot substitute busses in all cases.

You don't seem to understand the difference between a submix bus and an aux bus. The question was about routing to a submix bus not an aux bus. In Waveform you can send to an unlimited number of submix busses. The aux send and receive plugins are for sending to aux busses and yes there are sixteen channels, but you can also use racks as aux sends and receives thus giving you an unlimited number of aux busses. You need to look more closely at Waveform's functionality before assuming it can't do things. It is actually one of the most flexible daws with regards to routing. You can route anything to anywhere with racks, even to and from points between effects plugins.

[solomute]

Seems you can use stereo pass filter as aux send, aux return additionally. Found that in the manual.

[dRowAudio]

Why the heck there are only 16 buses available? Why not make unlimited number of busses?

The reason this is limited to 16 probably stems from a lack of system resources back in 2002 when Tracktion was originally made and I don't think anyone has asked for more since.

We can probably increase this number fairly easily.

[solomute]

Would be nice and read my post here viewtopic.php?f=22&t=482529&p=6758971#p6762756
Why are sends to busses or passthrus existin in the filter section not chained in the operation and why do they use the first filter instead of sending sound sequentially?

[dRowAudio]

I did read it but to be honest I found it a bit hard to follow. It sounds like you're assuming that an aux send should pick up the signal it sends somehow? This isn't how they work, aux sends come in send/receive pairs so if you want to route a signal, you send it with an aux send and receive it with a aux receive.

But perhaps I've misunderstood. Maybe a screenshot of your configuration would help explain what you're trying to do?

[solomute]

Agreen has already explained that daws can't do what i want here http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 5#p6763045
It means i will have to use many copies of the same vsts and i am pressed for ram and cpu power. alas!

[solomute]

Agreen says that sequantial processing can be used either by placing filters on the same track (which means finally many copies of the same vst) or by using racks, ie not stereo pass thru racks but by placing a vst inside of a rack. Ok may be i need to try that method. What i want to achieve is that for example i have 5 tracks with an effect vst on each like reverb vst, amplifier vst, convolution vst and i have 5 tracks with instruments. And i want for example track 7 to use effects from tracks 1,2,3,4 and track 8 to use effects from tracks 1 and 3. But the processing should not be done in parallel. I want the signal from track 8 to go to track 1, return back to track 8 and then the signal already processed by track 1 to go to track 3. I don't want track 3 to receive the raw signal from track 8. It's like you don't want the guitar cabinet vst to receive the DI signal from the guitar, you would want to get the signal already amplified by another amplifier vst. I hope i have explained more clearly.

[solomute]

May be you can introduce some IF operands into filters so that each filter can be programmed like IF signal comes from track 7 THEN this filter of track 2 is applied to the signal. IF signal comes from track 8 THEN this filter of track 2 is bypassed for signal from track 8 and passed to the next filter in the chain - I could just redirect filters of tracks 1 - 5 like 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 >5 sequential chain via target destination and use that programing feature. But what if i wanted another order of processing like 4 > 2 > 3. Again that could be done with IF-THEN. The filters plugins should have two drop-out lists of tracks numbers to be able to do any routings like IF signal comes from track 6 THEN this filter of track 4 will process the signal and give it further to track 2. And so on. As far as i know reaper has some kind of scripts which perhaps serve this purpose. But i would like to do that easily and with waveform.

[dRowAudio]

I really think a screenshot would help to visualise what you are trying to do...

However, if you want processing to be applied differently from different tracks, it sounds like you just want to create a rack with several sets of inputs, then just wire certain tracks up to the desired inputs. It's then very easy to feed tracks to certain filters etc.

[whyterabbyt]

Agreen says that sequantial processing can be used either by placing filters on the same track (which means finally many copies of the same vst) or by using racks, ie not stereo pass thru racks but by placing a vst inside of a rack. Ok may be i need to try that method.

Can you please use paragraphs, it'll help a lot.

What i want to achieve is that for example i have 5 tracks with an effect vst on each like reverb vst, amplifier vst, convolution vst and i have 5 tracks with instruments.

Okay. But you're making it confusing by referring to everything as tracks and numbers.

And i want for example track 7 to use effects from tracks 1,2,3,4 and track 8 to use effects from tracks 1 and 3.

Okay, at this point you have two instruments Instrument7 and Instrument8 feeding into each of Effect1 and 3.
And Instrument7 also feeding in to Effect1, Effect2, Effect3 and Effect4. At this point, lets focus on that and not 'tracks'.

But the processing should not be done in parallel.

Parallel to what? If Instrument7 isnt feeding into Effect1, Effect2, Effect3 and Effect4 simultaneously, then all you need to do is route them sequentially.

I want the signal from track 8 to go to track 1, return back to track 8 and then the signal already processed by track 1 to go to track 3.

But you said Effect1 had Instrument7 and Instrument8 feeding in to it, so the output contains two processed instruments. Is that what you want?

I don't want track 3 to receive the raw signal from track 8.

But do you want Effect3 to receive the wet signal from Instrument7 and Instrument8, processed simultaneously by Effect1?

Or do you want Effect3 to receive the wet signal from Instrument7 processed by Effect1 whilst simultaneously receiving a separate wet signal from Instrument8 processed by Effect1, and somehow be able to process them both separately?

And how does Effect2 and Effect4 on Instrument7 fit in ? Are you expecting the Instrument7 return from Effect1 to be sent to Effect2 before Effect3?

It's like you don't want the guitar cabinet vst to receive the DI signal from the guitar, you would want to get the signal already amplified by another amplifier vst. I hope i have explained more clearly.

Yes, but if you send the keyboard into the amplifier at the same time as you send the guitar into the amplifier, then the cabinet cant process only the keyboard or only the guitar. And if you want to add chorus to only the amplified guitar, or reverb to only the post-cabinet keyboard, but not affect the other instrument, then that's impossible.

I think you've actually made it confusing by not being explicit about what you're expecting out of the effect, or what routing you want for the effects to be applied to Instrument7.

[solomute]

I have drawn a picture explaining what i want to have. http://i68.tinypic.com/2wqd100.jpg or http://oi68.tinypic.com/2wqd100.jpg There is one mistake on my part the blue line from amp vst should go to aux s rever of track 7 and not track 8. and then go to aux r rever.