Tracktion/Reason rewire - HELP!

[headquest]

OK, I need some help here!

As some of you will know, I'm a big Tracktion fan, and I use Reason 2.5 a lot too... in the past though, when using them together via rewire I have always done all the sequncing within Tracktion, and used Reason simply as a synth rack...

But just the last few days I have been wanting to use ReDrum to do a drum track. I love the sampled kits that come with it, and equally dig its way of programming.

Here's the problem:

To illustrate what's happening, I open a new empty track in Tracktion and rewire Reason into track one. In Reason I create a mixer and ReDrum, select a patch and create a pattern.

Back in Tracktion, it the play button and ... the first beat is completely missing! (After that everything is just fine, but ... hey??!! )

Now I have a few demos on my system right now, so I've duplicated the above substituting Adobe Audition 1.5, Ableton Live 4, and Sonar Producer 3. In each of these other programmes everything works just fine (i.e. no missing drum hit on beat 1).

That makes me believe that the problem here is not Reason or ReWire - but with Tracktion itself. I hope there is a way round this, because it seems like a pretty fundamental flaw if not, and will make it imporssible to use ReDrum within Tracktion so far as I can see - which would be a real bummer...

I remember seeing and vaguely ignoring posts about MIDI notes disappearing in the past, and tried to find old posts about ReWire issues to no avail...

I'm using the latest Tracktion v.1.6.xx

Can anybody help me please?

[theshaggyfreak]

Do you have a few empty lead bars set up in Reason before the drums kick in? I've seen this happen before, and it used to happen when I worked with Nuendo. I always put a couple lead bars at the beginning of a song, and you can always cut them out later whe you mix down. That has always solved the issue for me. The lead bars are helpful for me anyway since I can turn on the metronome to get the timing down before I start recording a new part.

[headquest]

Do you have a few empty lead bars set up in Reason before the drums kick in? I've seen this happen before, and it used to happen when I worked with Nuendo. I always put a couple lead bars at the beginning of a song, and you can always cut them out later whe you mix down. That has always solved the issue for me. The lead bars are helpful for me anyway since I can turn on the metronome to get the timing down before I start recording a new part.

I'll try this - thanks ...

(I assume this is a Tracktion "quirk" then?...)

[theshaggyfreak]

(I assume this is a Tracktion "quirk" then?...)

As I said, this happened to me in Nuendo before too. I'm not sure exactly why it happens.

[headquest]

As I said, this happened to me in Nuendo before too. I'm not sure exactly why it happens.

So you did - oops

Actually I did a double take there - have you really moved to Tracktion from Nuendo?! (or do you use both now?)

Either way, thanks again for your help.

I think that having a couple of bars rest at the beginning of the Reason track will do the trick, but I need to work out in Reason how to do this when using the ReDrum automation feature. Although I've used ReDrum kits a hell of a lot I've tended not to use the automation, but hey!, it's a quick way of putting a track together, even if you programme more interesting drum parts into the MIDI editor later...

Just a shame that this doesn't appear to work in Tracktion/ReWire mode though.

(Don't you just hate "workarounds"? They only exist because the software we pay for doesn't work! )

[theshaggyfreak]

Actually I did a double take there - have you really moved to Tracktion from Nuendo?! (or do you use both now?)

Well, I was kind of testing the waters with many different apps to see what I wanted to settle down with. I almost went with Nuendo, but there was some things holding me back. Spending the big bucks on it was one of them. Also, I feel that the Steinberg products are too much for me. I found Tracktion via another forum, and I decided to check it out. Tracktion did everything I needed, and I also found out that I could do things much faster in it than I could with other programs. I'd rather have a program that works better for my creative process then having something with a million bells and whistles that I'll never use. In the end I went with Tracktion for laying down audio tracks. For MIDI I went with Reason and EnergyXT. That's more than enough for me and my creative juices.

[headquest]

Well, I was kind of testing the waters with many different apps to see what I wanted to settle down with. I almost went with Nuendo, but there was some things holding me back. Spending the big bucks on it was one of them. Also, I feel that the Steinberg products are too much for me. I found Tracktion via another forum, and I decided to check it out. Tracktion did everything I needed, and I also found out that I could do things much faster in it than I could with other programs. I'd rather have a program that works better for my creative process then having something with a million bells and whistles that I'll never use. In the end I went with Tracktion for laying down audio tracks. For MIDI I went with Reason and EnergyXT. That's more than enough for me and my creative juices.

Tracktion and Reason certainly make a good pair, and I love both...

I'm about to get Adobe Audition too, for mastering and audio editing mainly, but it also has good looping in the style of Acid. For Reason I think it may work as a better audio wrapper than Tracktion does, although I totally love Tracktion as an all-round sequencer, and my own experience very much aligns with yours.

Cheers again for the help

[Neil G]

this bug should have been fixed a few updates ago
at least it is on my machine. i havent dropped the first beat of a loop in a long time, even if its the first beat on the timeline.

[headquest]

this bug should have been fixed a few updates ago
at least it is on my machine. i havent dropped the first beat of a loop in a long time, even if its the first beat on the timeline.

I'm using the latest version 1.6.0.1. Any suggestions?

[chico.co.uk]

It still drops the first note sometimes. I'm still doing the leave a bar of space trick. Seems okay on loops, I think, but not always on the first note at the start of an edit, or if you don't give it a "run up" of a bar or so.

[headquest]

It still drops the first note sometimes. I'm still doing the leave a bar of space trick. Seems okay on loops, I think, but not always on the first note at the start of an edit, or if you don't give it a "run up" of a bar or so.

Let's hope that T2 sorts this out once and for all, then. (straight to the top of the wish list!)

I have tried the suggestion of leaving a bar and it works fine. (pretty obvious really - why didn;t I think of it - doh!)

When using ReDrum I shall probably go back to copying patterns to the track rather than automating. That way I can be sure of getting the result I'm after, even if it takes just a little longer to put together.

Thanks for the input guys!

[psycontinuum]

this bug should have been fixed a few updates ago
at least it is on my machine. i havent dropped the first beat of a loop in a long time, even if its the first beat on the timeline.

I'm using the latest version 1.6.0.1. Any suggestions?

Nup. I get exactly the same thing with the latest version. I know this bug was supposed to be fixed but for me it isn't.

[headquest]

Nup. I get exactly the same thing with the latest version. I know this bug was supposed to be fixed but for me it isn't.

It's odd, and frankly annoying, because Tracktion is my favourite sequencer (and I've tried most of 'em ) but I also use Reason a lot. And I'm tending to ReWire Reason into other applications over and above Tracktion now... which could be the beginning of the end in terms of my Tracktion use (but I doubt it!) if we don't nip it in the bud!

Where are you Jules?