I played today an init saw waves on few synths: diva, spire, massive, zebra2 and dune 2. From all of them Zebra 2 stud out as the one that lacks significant ammount of high frequencies on the oscillator (Spire tend to be fulliest).
Zebra 2 oscillators lack significant ammount of high frequencies?
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
I always had an eye on Zebra 2 but i really disliked its lack of top end on the sound. If i tried to bring it up, it always sounded muddy and not crisp. I never paid attention why is that to it until today.
I played today an init saw waves on few synths: diva, spire, massive, zebra2 and dune 2. From all of them Zebra 2 stud out as the one that lacks significant ammount of high frequencies on the oscillator (Spire tend to be fulliest).
I played today an init saw waves on few synths: diva, spire, massive, zebra2 and dune 2. From all of them Zebra 2 stud out as the one that lacks significant ammount of high frequencies on the oscillator (Spire tend to be fulliest).
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Yet Hans Zimmer still uses it. Wow! 
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- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
So?EvilDragon wrote:Yet Hans Zimmer still uses it. Wow!
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Who cares about apparent lack of high frequencies when it still sounds bloody great? Are a lot of dogs going to listen to your sounds?
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
-change the oscs from "soft" to "crisp"
-when editing the wave, use ctrl and alt + drag on wave points to make the wave sharper. Have Span opened while adjusting...
-when editing the wave, use ctrl and alt + drag on wave points to make the wave sharper. Have Span opened while adjusting...
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
It depends on the genre. If you produce hip hop, quite a few "dawgs" are likely to listen to them. On the other hand it's unlikely they even care about the sounds at all, as long as the bass goes BOOM.EvilDragon wrote:Who cares about apparent lack of high frequencies when it still sounds bloody great? Are a lot of dogs going to listen to your sounds?
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Haha!
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It does because if you want to make a flat mix and raise high freqs that are lacking the sound turns to a turd.EvilDragon wrote:Who cares about apparent lack of high frequencies when it still sounds bloody great? Are a lot of dogs going to listen to your sounds?
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Thanks!3ee wrote:-change the oscs from "soft" to "crisp"
-when editing the wave, use ctrl and alt + drag on wave points to make the wave sharper. Have Span opened while adjusting...
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- KVRAF
- 4141 posts since 11 Aug, 2006 from Texas
The Oscillator FX modes ChopLift and Brilliance can have a dramatic effect on the higher frequencies when turning both knobs from the 12 o' clock to the 5 o'clock positions. Stacking both on a single oscillator can be crazy.3ee wrote:-change the oscs from "soft" to "crisp"
-when editing the wave, use ctrl and alt + drag on wave points to make the wave sharper. Have Span opened while adjusting...
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- KVRist
- 229 posts since 1 Feb, 2013 from United States
Use an EQ? I dunno.
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- KVRian
- 833 posts since 29 Jul, 2006
Crisp makes a difference but causes some aliasing in the highest registers. It's a good way to get more brilliance in the low and mid keyboard range though. Could certainly add some sizzle to basses. One thing that I found is, the FM oscillators set to self-oscillation can sound really brilliant - will have to experiment with keyscaling or mod-mapping to turn down the FM a tad when venturing up high on the keyboard.
The funny thing is, I've never thought of Zebra as a dull sounding synth. It's always sounded crisp and bright to my ears, even without any of this fiddling.
The funny thing is, I've never thought of Zebra as a dull sounding synth. It's always sounded crisp and bright to my ears, even without any of this fiddling.
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- KVRAF
- 1645 posts since 12 Dec, 2012 from Switzerland
So what? That doesn't relate to quality at all.
Not all instruments in a mix can play bright hard loud highs anyway. Yes, I wouldn't take Zebra when I'm looking for hard loud screaming leads. But Zebra does sound very good, just in other ways.
Not all instruments in a mix can play bright hard loud highs anyway. Yes, I wouldn't take Zebra when I'm looking for hard loud screaming leads. But Zebra does sound very good, just in other ways.
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- KVRist
- 138 posts since 5 Oct, 2015
Hi,Elektronisch wrote:I played today an init saw waves on few synths: diva, spire, massive, zebra2 and dune 2. From all of them Zebra 2 stud out as the one that lacks significant ammount of high frequencies on the oscillator (Spire tend to be fulliest).
I did a similar test with Zebra and Serum, and could replicate Serums high-end OSCs with Zebra:
I am getting identical results for the Serum init saw and Zebra when I set the OSC to crisp and create a saw wave in the SpectroMorph mode at 88kHZ. And I mean really identical, the Bitwig spectrometer pic of both waves are identical (I would not trust my 47 old ears to do that)
At 48kHZ, Zebra retains its crispness, and Serum adds a slight wiggle at -109db at the low end - but that's not audible. Other than that, both waves remain identical!
It is, however, impossible to get the "Serum saw" with any other OSC mode than Spectromorph. All other modes use less partials (128), whereas Spectromorph has more, I think 1023 (This is me, partially wild guessing, maybe someone from UHE headquarters will clarify).
I believe that Zebra's well known smoothness and round sound comes from many, many presets using both the smooth OSC setting and the GeoBlend, Sprectroblend and GeoMorph modes. And this can be heard, even my ears that stop at 13kHZ still get that Serum has clearly more high end from the start. On the other hand, using the Spectromorph/Crisp-Combo, Zebra's saw OSC has a clean and high end just as Serum, not a small feat considering that Serum can tax even high-end PCs whereas Zebra runs with very low system requirements. Oh, and if you need also a square wave with much high end: use the OddForEven spectral filter.
Just my two Euro's,
K