That lesser brightness is the chosen sound for Diva, not a technical limitation. Simple VAs can sound very bright, it's not some huge achievement.alexpen wrote:Regarding the "brighteness"... I honestly don't know what it is exactly: higher cutoff, more oversampling, different algorithms? But the difference is definitely there. Repro sounds absolutely great in this regard, Diva is not quite there.Future State wrote:Man, it's bothersome to see all of these comments about brightness. All of the other synths I've tried sound way too bright and sterile. Diva doesn't sound dull, it sounds warm, imo.
Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)
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- KVRist
- 385 posts since 16 Mar, 2015
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 12442 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Urs has commented on this. The filters in Diva all have the same ranges, which was calibrated to the Minimoog. The max cutoff in Diva is therefore around 20k, like the hardware Moog, whereas the Repro-1 filter, like the hardware, is closer to 40k. Hence why Diva isn't as bright. The comments may even have been in this thread if you want to look for them.alexpen wrote:Regarding the "brighteness"... I honestly don't know what it is exactly: higher cutoff, more oversampling, different algorithms? But the difference is definitely there. Repro sounds absolutely great in this regard, Diva is not quite there.Future State wrote:Man, it's bothersome to see all of these comments about brightness. All of the other synths I've tried sound way too bright and sterile. Diva doesn't sound dull, it sounds warm, imo.
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- u-he
- 30178 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
If I remember correctly, non of our reference hardware opened filters beyond about 25kHz. Cutoff however is the point of 3dB/pole attenuation, so there's a roll-off before that, up to 12dB for a 4-pole lowpass filter. Hence, all reference hardware attenuated the signal within the audible range.
This came in handy because CPU usage grows with filter frequency. Back then, opening the filter even more would have made Diva unusable. It's possible with the advances we've done for Repro-1. But as we can't just swap the filter algorithms we're toying with the idea of a Diva 2 upgrade (which I guess brought this thread about, even though Diva 2.x might be years ahead)
Funnily, when Diva came out many people commented that her sound seemed too bright, i.e. as if "overly refurbished". They found that their analogue synths generally sound a bit more muffled, and there was a feature request for an fx module that creates that sound.
This came in handy because CPU usage grows with filter frequency. Back then, opening the filter even more would have made Diva unusable. It's possible with the advances we've done for Repro-1. But as we can't just swap the filter algorithms we're toying with the idea of a Diva 2 upgrade (which I guess brought this thread about, even though Diva 2.x might be years ahead)
Funnily, when Diva came out many people commented that her sound seemed too bright, i.e. as if "overly refurbished". They found that their analogue synths generally sound a bit more muffled, and there was a feature request for an fx module that creates that sound.
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- KVRian
- 625 posts since 19 Mar, 2004 from Copenhagen
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david.beholder david.beholder https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=159839 - KVRAF
- 1914 posts since 13 Sep, 2007
But then they've learned how to use equalizer after Diva.Urs wrote: Funnily, when Diva came out many people commented that her sound seemed too bright, i.e. as if "overly refurbished". They found that their analogue synths generally sound a bit more muffled, and there was a feature request for an fx module that creates that sound.
Murderous duck!
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- KVRian
- 751 posts since 22 Aug, 2002 from on the inside looking out
Pretty much. An analogue style envelope with variable curves (exp - lin - log) for A,D and R would be great.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:5. Faster Envelopes. The envelopes on Diva feel slow, and that may just be how they're scaled on the UI. I'd like to see the first 50% of the envelopes equate to a relatively fast envelope speed, whereas right now, 50% is pretty slow. Either that, or maybe there's just room for a faster type of envelope.
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- KVRAF
- 4070 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
People claiming Diva isn't so bright because the filter just goes up to 20khz.
We have some bat people on this forum
We have some bat people on this forum
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- KVRian
- 500 posts since 27 Nov, 2003 from Oslo, Norway
For a 2.0 my wish is for a completely new functional future proof concept that also is super easy to map to controllers for gigs etc. (well, in my mind ofc!)
I imagine a concept like this:
GUI with 4x4 empty sqares, 4 wide and 4 down. Each of the empty squares has a big + sign.
The vertical rows down are from left to right: LFO, OSC, FILTER, ENV.
Hit the pluss sign and you get a menu choice of different types to open.
Bellow the 4x4 squares there is a click to open drop down gui of another 4x4 boxes, however inside each box there are 2 macro knobs, intended to reflect each of the synth boxes on top, giving each module 2 macros. Drag and drop assignement to them, or use provided presets. These can have preset saving for your prefered init setup.
Why only 2 macros for each module? Well in my usage it is mostly enough with two macros for lfos aka speed and depth, cutoff and resonance for filter, pitch and waveform mangling on oscilators, attack and release on envelopes. Thats all I tweak "live" or while recording 99% of the time.
And now comes the best part: these 8x4 macro knobs fits perfectly to the typical 8x4 knobs controllers, like bcr2000, mackie control, and many others! So out of the box it is pretty much plug and play like a hardware synth, if one have any of these cheep 8x4 knob midi controllers.
The gui could have fx and all the rest on a second page, but the drop down macro window could still be visible for adding these things to the macros too. Optionally a second page of macros for that stuff..
I imagine a concept like this:
GUI with 4x4 empty sqares, 4 wide and 4 down. Each of the empty squares has a big + sign.
The vertical rows down are from left to right: LFO, OSC, FILTER, ENV.
Hit the pluss sign and you get a menu choice of different types to open.
Bellow the 4x4 squares there is a click to open drop down gui of another 4x4 boxes, however inside each box there are 2 macro knobs, intended to reflect each of the synth boxes on top, giving each module 2 macros. Drag and drop assignement to them, or use provided presets. These can have preset saving for your prefered init setup.
Why only 2 macros for each module? Well in my usage it is mostly enough with two macros for lfos aka speed and depth, cutoff and resonance for filter, pitch and waveform mangling on oscilators, attack and release on envelopes. Thats all I tweak "live" or while recording 99% of the time.
And now comes the best part: these 8x4 macro knobs fits perfectly to the typical 8x4 knobs controllers, like bcr2000, mackie control, and many others! So out of the box it is pretty much plug and play like a hardware synth, if one have any of these cheep 8x4 knob midi controllers.
The gui could have fx and all the rest on a second page, but the drop down macro window could still be visible for adding these things to the macros too. Optionally a second page of macros for that stuff..
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david.beholder david.beholder https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=159839
- KVRAF
- 1914 posts since 13 Sep, 2007
Yep. 6 cores for life! Of course I'm not playing 12 notes cords on all of them. But 30-40 Divas is norm for my project.suthnear wrote:30-40 instances? Seriously?david.beholder wrote:instead of buying $300 processor and run 30-40 instances of Diva with no hiccups
Murderous duck!
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
rod_zero wrote:People claiming Diva isn't so bright because the filter just goes up to 20khz.
We have some bat people on this forum
I think an emu should sound as bright as the original references sounded.
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- u-he
- 30178 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Filter at 20kHz means already a 12 dB reduction there, 3 or so dB at 12kHz, which even and old fella like me can hear clearlyrod_zero wrote:People claiming Diva isn't so bright because the filter just goes up to 20khz.
We have some bat people on this forum
