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troxx · Post by **troxx** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:01 am

With regards to concerns of vst's crashing and losing projects in Reason, which was one of the reasons it was never implemented, I surmise Propellerhead are using some sort of container similar to Bitwig, whereby the container contains the vst instance crash?

Ableguy1 · Post by **Ableguy1** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:02 am

Anosou wrote:
Ableguy1 wrote:YAAAY!!

They were bought out by another company and they told the old CEO to go screw his stuck up self. HAHAHAHA!!

VST WON!!!!
We started developing this waaaay before the investment.

We? If you're involved, it was a very wise thing to do.

Great job finally doing it. Music makers will benefit. Finally time to lift the corporate veil and get on with life

Anosou · Post by **Anosou** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:06 am

troxx wrote:With regards to concerns of vst's crashing and losing projects in Reason, which was one of the reasons it was never implemented, I surmise Propellerhead are using some sort of container similar to Bitwig, whereby the container contains the vst instance crash?

It's not quite as clever and advanced as Bitwig to be perfectly honest, they did a great job with that. VSTs are not running in completely separate processes if I understand it correctly (but I'm no dev), however we do try to catch as many crashes as we can and prevent that VST from touching anything. It works similarly as REs. Works well from my testing so far, but wonky things could potentially still crash.

Ableguy1 wrote:
Anosou wrote:
Ableguy1 wrote:We? If you're involved, it was a very wise thing to do.

Great job finally doing it. Music makers will benefit. Finally time to lift the corporate veil and get on with life

I'm very much involved, I'm the product manager of Reason so it was kind of my call (though of course it was a company-wide decision, everyone's been involved!).

paulbreeze · Post by **paulbreeze** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:07 am

Ableguy1 wrote:We? If you're involved, it was a very wise thing to do.

https://se.linkedin.com/in/mattiashaggstromgerdt

Mattias Häggström Gerdt
Product Manager at Propellerhead Software

Ableguy1 · Post by **Ableguy1** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:08 am

Anosou wrote:
troxx wrote:With regards to concerns of vst's crashing and losing projects in Reason, which was one of the reasons it was never implemented, I surmise Propellerhead are using some sort of container similar to Bitwig, whereby the container contains the vst instance crash?
It's not quite as clever and advanced as Bitwig to be perfectly honest, they did a great job with that. VSTs are not running in completely separate processes if I understand it correctly (but I'm no dev), however we do try to catch as many crashes as we can and prevent that VST from touching anything. It works similarly as REs. Works well from my testing so far, but wonky things could potentially still crash.

Crashes?

You're dealing with VST's that crash?

Name one.

Ableguy1 · Post by **Ableguy1** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:10 am

paulbreeze wrote:
Ableguy1 wrote:We? If you're involved, it was a very wise thing to do.
https://se.linkedin.com/in/mattiashaggstromgerdt

Mattias Häggström Gerdt
Product Manager at Propellerhead Software

Oh...................

Wow.

Ableguy1 · Post by **Ableguy1** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:12 am

Anosou wrote:
troxx wrote:With regards to concerns of vst's crashing and losing projects in Reason, which was one of the reasons it was never implemented, I surmise Propellerhead are using some sort of container similar to Bitwig, whereby the container contains the vst instance crash?
It's not quite as clever and advanced as Bitwig to be perfectly honest, they did a great job with that. VSTs are not running in completely separate processes if I understand it correctly (but I'm no dev), however we do try to catch as many crashes as we can and prevent that VST from touching anything. It works similarly as REs. Works well from my testing so far, but wonky things could potentially still crash.

Ableguy1 wrote:
Anosou wrote:
Ableguy1 wrote:We? If you're involved, it was a very wise thing to do.

Great job finally doing it. Music makers will benefit. Finally time to lift the corporate veil and get on with life
I'm very much involved, I'm the product manager of Reason so it was kind of my call (though of course it was a company-wide decision, everyone's been involved!).

It's an extremely over-due decision.

Much like MIDI out was a long time ago, if I remember correctly. You guys develop good products, you simply do it at a very slow pace. Again, the quality is good. But you just added Drag-n-Drop in the last like, 3 years...so haha.

It's all good.

Thanks for wising up and finally adding VSt support to Reason.

Integrating VST into Reason was "your call"? Wow. Good job on that.

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:19 am

It gets more complicated for Props,
to have VSTs not crash.
Even Native instruments, it takes 1:30 for eXT 2.5.2
to load Akoustik Piano.
IMO- watch which VSTs you use closely now, a bit.
Props are historically Steinberg peeps, I think they will pull a solid wrapper.

ooh ees

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:19 am

The big question, can Reason host VSTi's as a ReWire Slave?
Personally I'm really surprised Reason is hosting VST without the kind of sandboxing that Bitwig implemented. When I was an avid Reason user, Reason 1 to 2.5, it was 100% more stable than DAWs hosting VSTs.

troxx · Post by **troxx** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:22 am

Ableguy1 wrote:Crashes?

You're dealing with VST's that crash?

Name one.

At what point in my post did I refer to any vst crash which I experienced? It was a general question for one occurrence why vsts were not implemented in the past that was all & I assumed Reason was using a vst container. The odd crash does occur rarely even in Bitwig for an unknown reason (I'm not a software developer) & not because of the way they are used, it just happens.

Dont try to find an angle in something that was never there to begin with.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:24 am

Now mark my word there will be shitstorm when RE users suddenly see how for example Softube REs consume extremely high CPU usage but their VST version is at least x5 more optimized (and no it does not crash).

Then they will realize how superior RE was...

Oh well...

mispoes · Post by **mispoes** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:28 am

Nice, very nice... but please, the reason rack is too tiny... make all native stuff and RE's resizeable! That's the only "reason" for me not to buy Reason. It's just too tiny! Ow, and maybe curved automation...?

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:29 am

Not to mention that they just killed all developer efforts and time and money wasted on porting their plugins to RE.

U-he is laughing all the way - by giving them middle finger when was time to do so..

festeringheap · Post by **festeringheap** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:30 am

paulbreeze wrote:
https://se.linkedin.com/in/mattiashaggstromgerdt

Mattias Häggström Gerdt
Product Manager at Propellerhead Software

Hello Anosou - Matthias...

I demoed Reason 9, which just expired recently.

Will people be able to demo Reason 9.5 as well to check out the VST implementation?

Thanks.

5.1 · Post by **5.1** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:30 am

Well hell, froze over.
First bit of Reason news I've been interested to hear in years.
Think I still have a dongle for Reason 7 lying around gathering dust.
I look forward to seeing reviews when it gets out of beta.

Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support