Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[loungepanda]

Now mark my word there will be shitstorm when RE users suddenly see how for example Softube REs consume extremely high CPU usage but their VST version is at least x5 more optimized (and no it does not crash).

Then they will realize how superior RE was...

Oh well...

hehe, no kidding? I nearly wept when I tried VK2 and watched as 3 of my CPU cores got annihilated while the rest were close to 0% utilization. The RE SDK could really use some proper multicore support.

Reason’s VST implementation is based on VST 2.4. Any 2.4 compliant instrument or effect plugin (that’s just about every VST out there) will work in Reason.

Including MIDI effects? Would love to be able to use Cthulhu.

[TabSel]

VST hosting in rewire slave mode?
VST midi i/o support to route a VSTs midi out to "somewhere"?
Behavior of reason when loading a reason project referencing a VST that isn't found? (State preserved upon saving?)

Details please!

[kae]

What does this mean for the Rack Extension format? And for RE developers.

We stay committed to the RE format and I think a lot of users will still get REs, especially if even more users come on board and get Reason. Personally, having used VSTs in Reason for a while now, it makes you appreciate the RE integration. I think they'll live side-by-side and people will buy the instrument, effect or utility they want. I've had tons of fun using CV generators and sequencers in the RE format to sequence VST instruments for example. And I still use tons of RE instruments and effects too, it's sleeker.

Regarding the future of REs. You stay committed, but will RE developers do the same? Why develop REs that reaches only a small fraction of DAW users while competitors reaches everyone, with worse CPU performance and loose a big cut of the revenue? Seems like bad business. I think future Reason racks will consist of 90% VST containers.

[maschinelf]

Well this couldnt happen soon enough, and I for one am happy to hear about it. It will get me to atleast look at Reason again, and possibly jump back in at some point in the future. IIRC, I also have one of those dongles lying around so it might come in handy. Nothing is perfect and I wouldn't be surprised if there are niggles or teething problems. But I would prefer to focus on the positives and see where this goes.

[Ableguy1]

Not to mention that they just killed all developer efforts and time and money wasted on porting their plugins to RE.

U-he is laughing all the way - by giving them middle finger when was time to do so..

He was pretty much right to. The financial reasons you don't see any other real developers on board making little "Rack Extensions" are obvious and a real thing. At least he had the guts to say it publicly.

[Numanoid]

The 9.5 update will be available in a month, on May 29.

[nix808]

I think it will be 64-bit VST only.
Can anyone savvy try J-Bridge?

[Ableguy1]

"Now mark my word there will be shitstorm when RE users suddenly see how for example Softube REs consume extremely high CPU usage but their VST version is at least x5 more optimized (and no it does not crash).

Then they will realize how superior RE was...

Oh well..."

That is going to be an epic day on KVR. "Rack Extensions" have always been extremely inefficient comparatively and the average Reason user has no idea .

[Anosou]

Will people be able to demo Reason 9.5 as well to check out the VST implementation?

Thanks.

Yeah, we plan to reset the trials.

Including MIDI effects? Would love to be able to use Cthulhu.

We don't support VST MIDI effects in the first release. Sorry!

[kuniklo]

This is probably a smart move on their part but it still feels a little bit disappointing. The appeal of Reason to me is that it's a stable, efficient, closed environment that allows certain things that are difficult or impossible in other DAWs. We have some pretty good RE instruments now so I'd much rather see them invest their time in bringing the stock instruments and effects up to modern standards and improving the piano roll and the pixelated UI.

I have to think this is going to have a chilling effect on the market for REs too.

[keel]

Anosou, now please add that automatically returning playing cursors. That is so fking annoying. Then midi chase so long notes will play middle of them, so annoying that you need to listen long notes always from the beggining. Takes so much unnecessary time, jesus. And automation curves, tensionline between the points, just like in FL. And mp3 export. But please add that automatically returning playing cursors and midi chase to 9.5 too. Big thank you!

[troxx]

Cant wait to give this ago, I'm using Bitwig as main DAW which does not support Rewire & Reason who did not previously support vst, I can see Reason getting a lot more use in the future... YES!!

[Numanoid]

Steinberg released the VST interface specification and SDK in 1996.

So it took 20 years and some for Props to follow suit

[kae]

This is probably a smart move on their part but it still feels a little bit disappointing. The appeal of Reason to me is that it's a stable, efficient, closed environment that allows certain things that are difficult or impossible in other DAWs. We have some pretty good RE instruments now so I'd much rather see them invest their time in bringing the stock instruments and effects up to modern standards and improving the piano roll and the pixelated UI.

I have to think this is going to have a chilling effect on the market for REs too.

Why would VST have an impact on stability? Don't you think PH can code a stable VST container? You don't have to stuff anything inside it you know
Regarding efficiency.. that's the thing, Reason REs are anything but efficient. VST are way more efficient. And that makes me agree with your last part. I think RE development will decrease dramatically, with pretty much only PH and small indie utility-developers supporting it. Hope I'll be wrong though

[PapaG]

Which VST format is implemented? I run Logic with Audio Units so never bothered to install the VST versions. In preparation for the end of May I'd like to install the versions I'm going to need in Reason. VST...VST2... VST3?