Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[xbitz]

Anosou, now please add that automatically returning playing cursors. That is so fking annoying. Then midi chase so long notes will play middle of them, so annoying that you need to listen long notes always from the beggining. Takes so much unnecessary time, jesus. And automation curves, tensionline between the points, just like in FL. And mp3 export. But please add that automatically returning playing cursors and midi chase to 9.5 too. Big thank you!

Noted! We have a big backlog of stuff we want to do (of course) and it's always hard to prioritize (of course), but let me know what you really want to see and I'll take it into consideration

Well, if you read these messages on above, you can clearly see that this playing cursor doesn't return automatically on stop, is pretty damn annoying and many people hate it. It makes things frustrating. Shouldn't this type of problem be pretty high on to do list? Plus like its said, adding this should be just couplr lines of code. Easy and fast to add, yet it would male many people life much easier. I don't know your priorities, but to me, this should be top on the list to fix. People complain this all over the internert. So, win win, how it sounds? Plus if you add this and that midi chase feature, I promise you to that I will buy Reason. A new customer for you. Isn't that what you want, new customers. So add at least this to 9.5, please? Easy and fast to add

currently it needs manual override with some key combo(practically shift+space) on the stop transport button > option/keyboard control edit mode, double click on the stop button / shift+space



would be nice with a simple option in Options menu

[festeringheap]

wow, I don't get the negativity in this thread... seems like great news if you like Reason, and if you don't, well.. don't use it.

This is KVR, mate...

Personally, I'm curious as to why this isn't a paid upgrade. Reason Essential owners don't even have to pay...

If I were running Propellerhead, I would use the Reason VST implementation as bait to get Essential owners to bump up to the main program. That's what "lite" programs are for all the DAWS.

Having this free reminds me of when Propellerhead gave that great Pay What You Want deal to get everyone on board the new R6 upgrade and to get them into the Re ecosystem with the free 6.5 upgrade.

So what's on the horizon here?

[ghettosynth]

Automatic return is bad for those, who stop to fix something where the cursor stopped. Right now you stop and press stop one more time to get the cursor back.

+1

Just because people whine about things doesn't mean that's what the majority wants. Stop means stop, not stop and move.

[neverenoughfunk]

no thank you propellerheads... you have jerked us around long enough... long live ableton live... which had vst/i support since version 4... now i am supposed to kick ableton live to the curb for reason? do not think so!

I hardly think you are the main target for this.

A lot of previous Reason users have been sitting on the fence about upgrading, this is a big incentive for them to upgrade to v9

As this is introduce as a interim version, and not main upgrade, means Props can use the time to tweak and hone the integration.

The next "attack" on the DAW market will then be when v10 ships. Then I expect them to go more after us who use other DAWs. Hopefully the price to buy into Reason then will be lowered.

the bold print is the problem... with reason you are always waiting for the next version/update... i.e. vst/i support should have been in version 7/8... and not 9.5... question... don't you think the rack extensions sdk should more advanced than it currently is? how long have you waited for it to advance? waiting is the key word with reason... i.e. v9.5 is not out yet... but you are looking forward to v10... i rather look forward to making music and not software updates...

[EnochLight]

wow, I don't get the negativity in this thread... seems like great news if you like Reason, and if you don't, well.. don't use it.

This is KVR, mate...

LOL!! This sums things up nicely.

[Numanoid]

waiting is the key word with reason... i.e. v9.5 is not out yet... but you are looking forward to v10... i rather look forward to making music and not software updates...

I don't think pro users wait too long for upgrades in this matter.

They want the latest version nevertheless, and Reason upgrades is $129 which is far less than upgrades for other DAWs like Cubase, Live or Bitwig users (all things considered)

It is hobbyists like myself that is still at Reason 6.5 that is holding out.

[zero01101]

Anosou, now please add that automatically returning playing cursors. That is so fking annoying. Then midi chase so long notes will play middle of them, so annoying that you need to listen long notes always from the beggining. Takes so much unnecessary time, jesus. And automation curves, tensionline between the points, just like in FL. And mp3 export. But please add that automatically returning playing cursors and midi chase to 9.5 too. Big thank you!

Noted! We have a big backlog of stuff we want to do (of course) and it's always hard to prioritize (of course), but let me know what you really want to see and I'll take it into consideration

Well, if you read these messages on above, you can clearly see that this playing cursor doesn't return automatically on stop, is pretty damn annoying and many people hate it. It makes things frustrating. Shouldn't this type of problem be pretty high on to do list? Plus like its said, adding this should be just couplr lines of code. Easy and fast to add, yet it would male many people life much easier. I don't know your priorities, but to me, this should be top on the list to fix. People complain this all over the internert. So, win win, how it sounds? Plus if you add this and that midi chase feature, I promise you to that I will buy Reason. A new customer for you. Isn't that what you want, new customers. So add at least this to 9.5, please? Easy and fast to add

currently it needs manual override with some key combo(practically shift+space) on the stop transport button > option/keyboard control edit mode, double click on the stop button / shift+space

would be nice with a simple option in Options menu

sorry if i'm missing something obvious, but doesn't double-tap on numpad 0 do exactly this with no overrides already?

[Urs]

Not to mention that they just killed all developer efforts and time and money wasted on porting their plugins to RE.

U-he is laughing all the way - by giving them middle finger when was time to do so..

That's put a bit too drastic IMHO, I wouldn't use those words.

Yes, it's been difficult for us, and overall we found concentrating on VST/AU to be essential for our survival. But I've always been sad that we couldn't compile for RE anymore and had no resources to fix that.

I'm certainly rather relieved about VST support in Reason than schadenfroh.

[Numanoid]

Yes, it's been difficult for us ...essential for our survival.

Things are bad?

[xbitz]

Anosou, now please add that automatically returning playing cursors. That is so fking annoying. Then midi chase so long notes will play middle of them, so annoying that you need to listen long notes always from the beggining. Takes so much unnecessary time, jesus. And automation curves, tensionline between the points, just like in FL. And mp3 export. But please add that automatically returning playing cursors and midi chase to 9.5 too. Big thank you!

Noted! We have a big backlog of stuff we want to do (of course) and it's always hard to prioritize (of course), but let me know what you really want to see and I'll take it into consideration

Well, if you read these messages on above, you can clearly see that this playing cursor doesn't return automatically on stop, is pretty damn annoying and many people hate it. It makes things frustrating. Shouldn't this type of problem be pretty high on to do list? Plus like its said, adding this should be just couplr lines of code. Easy and fast to add, yet it would male many people life much easier. I don't know your priorities, but to me, this should be top on the list to fix. People complain this all over the internert. So, win win, how it sounds? Plus if you add this and that midi chase feature, I promise you to that I will buy Reason. A new customer for you. Isn't that what you want, new customers. So add at least this to 9.5, please? Easy and fast to add

currently it needs manual override with some key combo(practically shift+space) on the stop transport button > option/keyboard control edit mode, double click on the stop button / shift+space

would be nice with a simple option in Options menu

sorry if i'm missing something obvious, but doesn't double-tap on numpad 0 do exactly this with no overrides already?

yepp but not easy to do it with right hand which is on the mouse normally, so would be nice if it can do this by default optionally,

ps. just installed the beta and it's real, wow it was not an easy choice so respect to Props, begin to test if ofc.

[Numanoid]

It is generous if VST support also will be included in Reason Essentials.

I would thought Props would keep that as a carrot for Reason Essentials users to upgrade to full version.

It would also be a way to keep life in the Rack Extension market, as that could then be tailored specifcally for Reason Essentials.

[bharris22]

It is strange, but although I think this is a very good idea and have wanted VST support for a while, I don't know if I will upgrade from Reason 7 just yet. I enjoy using Reason, and originally bought it because I liked the idea of a self-contained, stable sketchpad for ideas. I have purchased a bunch of REs, mostly on sale, (several of which I already had VSTs of) for this "reason". As I get older, I am finding limitations of any sort to be a spur to creativity; too many options paralyzes me. Having VSTs available in Reason will (for me) make Reason much like my other DAWs now. However, I am glad that they are finally thinking about what their users (and potential users) would want. This is finally a worthwhile upgrade - the first in a while, IMHO.

Personally speaking, though, I will never buy another RE. Why should I if I can upgrade for $129 and have access to my vast collection of VSTs instead? I can see that this would destroy the RE market.

[kuniklo]

Why would VST have an impact on stability? Don't you think PH can code a stable VST container? You don't have to stuff anything inside it you know
Regarding efficiency.. that's the thing, Reason REs are anything but efficient. VST are way more efficient. And that makes me agree with your last part. I think RE development will decrease dramatically, with pretty much only PH and small indie utility-developers supporting it. Hope I'll be wrong though

I would probably not use the VST support myself so I would just circumvent those issues myself.

I use REs like Parsec and Nostromo that are really flexible but also really CPU efficient. I never worry about CPU load in my Reason tracks. I don't know if the effort that went into supporting VSTs meant that other things didn't get done but there are a lot of other glaring shortcomings in Reason I would prefer to see addressed first.

[sys2074]

Long time Reason user (since v1) ... On first look VST support seems awesome! I can finally use PPG Wave, Omnisphere and a few other VSTis that are now just collecting dust on my old Mac. I'm more of a hardware synth person and not very interested in new VSTi because twiddling with a mouse on a screen isn't music making for me.

What I fear though is that this is the beginning of the end for the RE format. And I like the RE format a lot more than VST!

[db3]

Reveal-Sound will be very happy about this BTW. They just spent months and months in making the Spire RE. Wonder if they got any notification that Propellerhead is planning to implement VST support. Probably not.

Ouch...that's gotta hurt