KVR Audio

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon May 01, 2017 9:33 pm

incubus wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:Give them some time, hell, they've just come out with VST support. Even though I use some of those kinds of tools, not having midi drag and drop is certainly no big deal to me. I'm hugely excited to be able to use the Reason sequencer with some of my favorite plugins for certain kinds of music.

Now damn it, give me the beta already!
Some time? It was an issue 2 and a half years ago. Time? Countries have risen and fallen in that time (literally)

Well, I'm glad that instead of focusing on that, they've focused on adding VST support. In future, I'd rather they focus on improving blocks workflow. I don't see drag and drop midi as that big of a deal, but that's just me.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Mon May 01, 2017 9:56 pm

Like was said, having ezdrummer and not having drag/drop is like having a yacht with a hole built in the middle.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Mon May 01, 2017 10:02 pm

incubus wrote:Like was said, having ezdrummer and not having drag/drop is like having a yacht with a hole built in the middle.

You need the hole for the drag and DROP!

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon May 01, 2017 10:08 pm

incubus wrote:Like was said, having ezdrummer and not having drag/drop is like having a yacht with a hole built in the middle.

Oh no, I get that. I have a few tools that work that way including a couple of ToonTrack products among others. I'm just saying that I think that it's still a low priority. I'll gladly give up drag and drop today if it meant the difference in using any VSTs. In fact, I hope they prioritize on getting VSTs working in Rewire mode, and making midi VSTs work before they focus on drag and drop.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Tue May 02, 2017 5:04 am

/begin rant

So, true story.. it's been a while since I bought some VST's. I think the last one I bought was VPS Avenger. Anyway, I can't remember the experience being as frustrating as it was until I picked up Output's Exhale and Rev. First, you buy it in their store. Then you have to install their Steam-like delivery service app. Then you have to wait for it to download (which takes a laughably long time, even though their servers aren't far from me geographically). Then you have to make sure Kontakt (or Kontakt Player) is installed. And then you have to go through this convoluted act of pointing to files, logging in, activate, and then rebuild the library save.

JESUS F*&KING CHIRST MAN.

Reason's Rack Extensions absolutely rules this process, hands down, and anyone here who denies that is either being disingenuous or is smoking crack. Or both.

/end rant

Anyway, back to your regular programming!

I'll say this much - I'm happy as shit that Reason supports VST now. I just wish it wasn't so convoluted to get some.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Tue May 02, 2017 5:26 am

Despite my negativity, me too. It's not that I disregard it as trash, I just think that there are bigger fist to fry.

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Tue May 02, 2017 6:15 am

EnochLight wrote:/begin rant

So, true story.. it's been a while since I bought some VST's. I think the last one I bought was VPS Avenger. Anyway, I can't remember the experience being as frustrating as it was until I picked up Output's Exhale and Rev. First, you buy it in their store. Then you have to install their Steam-like delivery service app. Then you have to wait for it to download (which takes a laughably long time, even though their servers aren't far from me geographically). Then you have to make sure Kontakt (or Kontakt Player) is installed. And then you have to go through this convoluted act of pointing to files, logging in, activate, and then rebuild the library save.

JESUS F*&KING CHIRST MAN.

Reason's Rack Extensions absolutely rules this process, hands down, and anyone here who denies that is either being disingenuous or is smoking crack. Or both.

/end rant

Anyway, back to your regular programming! I'll say this much - I'm happy as shit that Reason supports VST now. I just wish it wasn't so convoluted to get some.

So Reasons Racks rules a crappy install process that you happened to find ?
Get over yourself, 90% of VST are drag file to VST folder, done.

Anosou · Post by **Anosou** » Tue May 02, 2017 7:43 am

Grumbleweed wrote:
memyselfandus wrote:Can someone confirm if drag n drop midi works? Lots of people asking
It doesn't work like you want it to work .

Grum.

Again, this is why we'd prefer people to keep beta information inside the beta. We're still hoping to fix that during beta, or shortly after.

KarmaShaman · Post by **KarmaShaman** » Tue May 02, 2017 7:48 am

EnochLight wrote:
blah blah blah

JESUS F*&KING CHIRST MAN.

blah blah blah

How adorable. Reason's biggest non-payrolled fanboy can't even work out how to install VST's

Deisss · Post by **Deisss** » Tue May 02, 2017 8:54 am

I am so happy to read this

can't wait for it to arrive as a final release on the market

adfielding · Post by **adfielding** » Tue May 02, 2017 10:28 am

I still do most of my work in Reason, but in the past few years I've been bouncing stuff to and from Studio One so as to use VSTs. The fact is, there is a plethora of awesome sound libraries and instruments that were clearly never going to make it to the RE platform. Personally, I'm really bloody glad to see PH opening Reason up rather than maintaining a "REs or nothing" attitude for the sake of it.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue May 02, 2017 10:33 am

bungle wrote:
EnochLight wrote:/begin rant

So, true story.. it's been a while since I bought some VST's. I think the last one I bought was VPS Avenger. Anyway, I can't remember the experience being as frustrating as it was until I picked up Output's Exhale and Rev. First, you buy it in their store. Then you have to install their Steam-like delivery service app. Then you have to wait for it to download (which takes a laughably long time, even though their servers aren't far from me geographically). Then you have to make sure Kontakt (or Kontakt Player) is installed. And then you have to go through this convoluted act of pointing to files, logging in, activate, and then rebuild the library save.

JESUS F*&KING CHIRST MAN.

Reason's Rack Extensions absolutely rules this process, hands down, and anyone here who denies that is either being disingenuous or is smoking crack. Or both.

/end rant

Anyway, back to your regular programming! I'll say this much - I'm happy as shit that Reason supports VST now. I just wish it wasn't so convoluted to get some.
So Reasons Racks rules a crappy install process that you happened to find ?
Get over yourself, 90% of VST are drag file to VST folder, done.

Not really, but i don't quite see the point either. Installation is usually as easy as it gets. No offense, but, mentioning that as an advantage of RE's is a bit of a desperate argument. Noone complains that software in general has to be installed either. It's an inevitable thing. And guess what, VST's can even be resold, opposed to RE's.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue May 02, 2017 10:38 am

chk071 wrote:And guess what, VST's can even be resold, opposed to RE's.

Most of them, at least.

RoryM0 · Post by **RoryM0** » Tue May 02, 2017 11:59 am

I know the props site mentions that the 9.5 beta is open to Reason AND Reason Essentials users, but can anyone confirm that the VST implementation will be identical in Reason Essentials? Won't be gimped in any way?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue May 02, 2017 12:01 pm

RoryM0 wrote:I know the props site mentions that the 9.5 beta is open to Reason AND Reason Essentials users, but can anyone confirm that the VST implementation will be identical in Reason Essentials? Won't be gimped in any way?

I can't show you anything solid, but, the way i understood it, it is identical. Yes, the Props are crazy letting you pimp up Essentials with all those VST goodies.

Only thing i see lacking is the support of VST Midi plugins (which is a bit sad, as Essentials doesn't feature an arpeggiator too).

Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support