Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[eXode]

So Reasons Racks rules a crappy install process that you happened to find ?
Get over yourself, 90% of VST are drag file to VST folder, done.

Not really, but i don't quite see the point either. Installation is usually as easy as it gets. No offense, but, mentioning that as an advantage of RE's is a bit of a desperate argument. Noone complains that software in general has to be installed either. It's an inevitable thing. And guess what, VST's can even be resold, opposed to RE's.

Yes VSTs aren't difficult to install one by one, but there is no comparison really. Imagine a fresh install with 50+ plugins from 5-10 different developers. In Reason you install the main application and then login to your account and click "sync" it doesn't get much simpler than that.

Some of us know that the RE platform is far from perfect, but give credit where credit is due.

[chk071]

On the other hand, i can't imagine a centralized system, no resale of the plugins, and Steinberg getting a 30 % share of every VST sold...

[Studio Saturn]

I know the props site mentions that the 9.5 beta is open to Reason AND Reason Essentials users, but can anyone confirm that the VST implementation will be identical in Reason Essentials? Won't be gimped in any way?

I can't show you anything solid, but, the way i understood it, it is identical. Yes, the Props are crazy letting you pimp up Essentials with all those VST goodies.

Only thing i see lacking is the support of VST Midi plugins (which is a bit sad, as Essentials doesn't feature an arpeggiator too).

Are you saying that Reason VST doesn't support like Nora arpeggiator?

[EvilDragon]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

[noremorse]

On the other hand, i can't imagine a centralized system, no resale of the plugins, and Steinberg getting a 30 % share of every VST sold...

Well, for some developers it might be a pretty good solution. I mean no worries about setting up a shop and different payment methods, and probably easier to reach the right public...

[EnochLight]

So Reasons Racks rules a crappy install process that you happened to find ?
Get over yourself, 90% of VST are drag file to VST folder, done.

That's adorable!

Yes VSTs aren't difficult to install one by one, but there is no comparison really. Imagine a fresh install with 50+ plugins from 5-10 different developers. In Reason you install the main application and then login to your account and click "sync" it doesn't get much simpler than that.

Some of us know that the RE platform is far from perfect, but give credit where credit is due.

This.

And yeah bungle, I've found more than just a few that are convoluted to install. This ain't my first rodeo!

[Studio Saturn]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

[chk071]

On the other hand, i can't imagine a centralized system, no resale of the plugins, and Steinberg getting a 30 % share of every VST sold...

Well, for some developers it might be a pretty good solution. I mean no worries about setting up a shop and different payment methods, and probably easier to reach the right public...

Good point. Not sure if it really takes 30% of the revenues, but, i surely can see the point of having someone else manage the actually selling of the plugins, as you need a shop site, a payment service, support for payment and shop, and what not.

[chk071]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

I'd also be interested in knowing if Midi VST's will ever be supported, because, i have the same apprehensions as you, maybe they simply didn't implement it to not make the Reason devices redundant. Well, that's what i and others were always talking about, the whole concept of Reason seems somehow incompatible with making it "just another VST host". Anyway, assumptions, so, i'll rather wait and see what's happening.

[festeringheap]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.

It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

Oh my...that's an interesting reality...

It's probably more like: get VST instrument support in both Reason and Reason Essentials as a free update to try and increase the user base.

Since you can't use VST midi plugin yet, any Reason users may look at the RE midi plugins and demo and buy them. That's in Propellerhead's best interests. Just a business decision. There may even be Propellerhead midi Players for sale.

The next Reason upgrade will probably include VST midi support at some point in the cycle.

Let's check thread out later to see who was right...

[festeringheap]

... this company. Always half baked.

I don't necessarily disagree with that though, for a lot of things Propellerhead...

[memyselfandus]

I'm waiting to upgrade until they add midi vst plugin compatibility, drag n drop and import midi to selected track. The wait sucks!

[eXode]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

Don't be silly, that is just daft. I mean no offence, but I do have higher expectations of you.

[chk071]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

Don't be silly, that is just daft. I mean no offence, but I do have higher expectations of you.

What, in your opinion, is the reason then why they don't support VST midi plugins? It's the first time i hear of a host which doesn't do so.

[xbitz]

what about if they will be integrated into the Player device architecture (will able to chain them together etc.) and still able to print the out of the whole chain to tracks etc. it's not so easy ... IMO

However, you may want to record the output of the Players to the Reason sequencer. To do this, click the Send to Track button, which is located on the top right of each Player device. This will move your performance to another track, and then create a new track in which all the notes that are output by the Player device fill the track. This gives you the best of all worlds — you can directly edit and process the notes output by the Player, while still retaining your original performance if you wish to run it through the Player again.

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/how-t ... o-a-track/


ps. what's definitely needs a major overhaul that's the

tried to work with it after FL, Bitwig and man... sequencer is brilliant(esp.with the blocks) but the PR is crazy