Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[eXode]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

Don't be silly, that is just daft. I mean no offense, but I do have higher expectations of you.

What, in your opinion, is the reason then why they don't support VST midi plugins? It's the first time i hear of a host which doesn't do so.

Pure speculation of course, but it might be so simple that it wasn't a priority for now, and considering the inclusion of the three players and legacy RPG8 and Matrix Pattern Sequencer within Reason itself it is possible that VST Midi simply wasn't a priority for now.

For clarification, the point I think is silly is the remark about RE developers and midi players. I really can't believe that anyone honestly/actually believes that it would be some scheme between propellerhead and existing RE developers. That is a silly proposition.

[EnochLight]

What, in your opinion, is the reason then why they don't support VST midi plugins? It's the first time i hear of a host which doesn't do so.

Here's my complete speculation based on some facts: the underlying framework for VST support in Reason was written by Sonic Charge's Magnus a decade ago, and back in 2007, MIDI plugins were sort of.. well.. not a thing at the time. I mean, not like they are now anyway.

I'm just guessing that this is a "version 1" release and we'll eventually see MIDI plugin support someday. Maybe version 15...

https://twitter.com/soniccharge/status/ ... 5595515904

[Studio Saturn]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

Don't be silly, that is just daft. I mean no offence, but I do have higher expectations of you.

Its ok. You are entitled to your opinion so do I. Don't worry about it. But time will tell. It is not that much far to see what is going to happen.

[EnochLight]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

Don't be silly, that is just daft. I mean no offence, but I do have higher expectations of you.

Its ok. You are entitled to your opinion so do I. Don't worry about it. But time will tell. It is not that much far to see what is going to happen.

The thing is, RE devs can't make Players right now. But even if the RE SDK is changed so they can, it doesn't preclude the addition of VST MIDI at a future point... But, like you said - time will tell.

[aMUSEd]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

Don't be silly, that is just daft. I mean no offense, but I do have higher expectations of you.

What, in your opinion, is the reason then why they don't support VST midi plugins? It's the first time i hear of a host which doesn't do so.

Pure speculation of course, but it might be so simple that it wasn't a priority for now, and considering the inclusion of the three players and legacy RPG8 and Matrix Pattern Sequencer within Reason itself it is possible that VST Midi simply wasn't a priority for now.

Yeah that makes sense, it's not like there aren't already midi players inside Reason or available as REs. While it would be nice I guess to be able to support them as VSTs it's probably not the biggest priority given much of what they would do can be done already in Reason.

[krucial]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

LOL @ this FUD.

Seriously

[Trancit]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

LOL @ this FUD.

Seriously

I feel Reasons players far ahead of any Midi VST´s out there... they are really amazing combined with their integration into the rack and sequencer...
I wish, something like this would exist in VST land, but sadly it´s overcomplicated shit, which only can be understood by people, who don´t have any use for them because of their knowledge or there is only half baken stuff...

Reason top or flop is a matter of taste, but the amazing work of the developers, how they put the stuff together that it just works is top notch imho...

[ezelkow1]

Any MIDI processing VSTs aren't supported at this point.

Oh my, my suspicion has become reality.
It is kind of obvious doesn't it? If they support midi plugins, there are plenty of VST which will nock Reason players out. So, now the business will shift and every Rack Extension developer you know will start bringing MIDI plugins. It will be the same thing all over again. You will see Reason users start asking Propellerhead for Midi plugins support for 16 to 20 years. Let the Midi player Re sellers take place that will be the game now. It is kind of funny at this point with this company. Always half baked.

LOL @ this FUD.

Seriously

I feel Reasons players far ahead of any Midi VST´s out there... they are really amazing combined with their integration into the rack and sequencer...
I wish, something like this would exist in VST land, but sadly it´s overcomplicated shit, which only can be understood by people, who don´t have any use for them because of their knowledge or there is only half baken stuff...

Reason top or flop is a matter of taste, but the amazing work of the developers, how they put the stuff together that it just works is top notch imho...

I think its more just down to daw implementation, not the vst. For example with live you have to manually handle the midi routing and have an empty track just for your midi vst which can be complicated to the uninitiated. However then you have bitwig where you just drop the midi vst in front of your instrument and your done, cant really get more simple than that

While the players may be very easy to use I dont think any RE's are really head and shoulders above available midi vsts (and I own most of the midi RE's available). Not when you have stuff like nora, cthulhu, cream and another 100 arps out there, etc

[Stupid American Pig]

Im just glad that we can legitimately include reason in this forum now...

[incubus]

I know hun?

[chk071]

Reading the threads here, and on Reasontalk, i'm wondering if there ever was a Reason update which caused so much controversy. With people arguing pro and against RE's and VST's, pro or against Reason, and even getting pretty unreasonable (before someone asks, i'm guilty of that too, for sure). Will surely take some weeks, until the calmness sets in again... and i'm sure the peeps over at Propellerhead were well aware of what monster they're about to awake.

[ghettosynth]

I feel Reasons players far ahead of any Midi VST´s out there... they are really amazing combined with their integration into the rack and sequencer...

Um, no. There is nothing in Reason like many tools that are available in Reaktor. I think Reason does have some great tools, no doubt. Whether it's "far ahead" or not depends very much on where your taste in such devices lies.

I'm really hoping that they incorporate VST midi out. I would really like to embed reaktor midi tools into combinators.

[parma]

It's disappointing but not surprising that MIDI plugins aren't supported. I'm sure it's not a trivial matter to code that functionality into something as established as Reason's codebase. Remember how long it took for each of audio tracks/MIDI out/VST. Those were all "never gonna happen" features at one time as well. As someone that likes to use some more exotic sequencers (like some in Reaktor) I hope this feature will be introduced sooner rather than later. Don't forget, good ol' Logic just recently had MIDI FX introduced (and a lot of developers still don't support it). There are probably some workarounds like Plogue or MiniHost that you can use inside Reason until MIDI routing is supported natively.

There are also some nice sequencers available as REs. This one in particular is more in line with more exotic stuff that's more readily available in VST land:
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/psq-1684/

[bharris22]

A little off topic, but could ghettosytnth and parma please provide some links to some of the more interesting midi tools/sequencers you have found in Reaktor?

[incubus]

Yeah. Cuz when I had it it was just a course in frustration.

EDIT, actually, I don't really want to know I spent more time trying to figure that out. I'm musician, not a geek.