Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[KarmaShaman]

Here's my complete speculation based on some facts: the underlying framework for VST support in Reason was written by Sonic Charge's Magnus a decade ago, and back in 2007, MIDI plugins were sort of.. well.. not a thing at the time. I mean, not like they are now anyway.

I'm just guessing that this is a "version 1" release and we'll eventually see MIDI plugin support someday. Maybe version 15...

How cute. This is from the kid who has gone on record countless times saying 'it will NEVER happen' in regards to Reason hosting VSTs, and spent years berating and belittling people for suggesting it. From the same kid that doesn't actually know how to install VSTs, as evidenced in this very thread.

Quite frankly, Dylan - your words are not worth their weight in the pixels its taken for you to write this completely ill-informed garbage. You have no inside knowledge, you have no insights and you have no 'facts' to go on that aren't already widely available to anyone else in the community.

[kmonkey]

I feel Reasons players far ahead of any Midi VST´s out there... they are really amazing combined with their integration into the rack and sequencer...
I wish, something like this would exist in VST land, but sadly it´s overcomplicated shit, which only can be understood by people, who don´t have any use for them because of their knowledge or there is only half baken stuff...

Aha...typical Reason view. Let me guess. You are Reason user which never looked in to any other DAW right? As usual you live under a stone and your education is long overdue.

What on earth you talk about Ableton have something like Reason players for decade now. It's not called same but it's there. Max For live not only does have various similar devices but community is able to offer commercial immersive products which surpass anything you see in current Reason. Like for REAL! You can create MIDI clips in all scales, basslines following scale changes whatnot. On a single button.

Reaper scripting and plugins have something similar.

Even Steinborg Cubase have same.

There is dozen of tools even free ones which can do that. But you may think like PH inventend it right...right..

Offtopic - i've found fantastic Reason deal for people who want (like myself) to jump on Reason 9.5 for cheap. I only want to confirm it and then i'll post it here for other people to take advantage of it.

Cheers.

[starflakeprj]

You can create MIDI clips in all scales, basslines following scale changes whatnot. On a single button.

No wonder so many EDM producers choose Ableton Live then

[kmonkey]

Imagine a fresh install with 50+ plugins from 5-10 different developers. In Reason you install the main application and then login to your account and click "sync" it doesn't get much simpler than that.

Some of us know that the RE platform is far from perfect, but give credit where credit is due.

What? Are you installing "fresh install" every week? I am doing it every three years maybe and even then. If you need to reinstall your computer every month or two you are seriously doing something wrong with it..

[kmonkey]

So paradigm shifted....

Now when people realized Reason does not support midi over VST - it's another next thing to be blamed for

I don't care so much but seriously does it mean that people for example can't use VST editors for hardware devices? Like Virus TI, Integra etc.

[xbitz]

You can create MIDI clips in all scales, basslines following scale changes whatnot. On a single button.

No wonder so many EDM producers choose Ableton Live then

[incubus]

I'm having a tough time with this thread. I see some people saying some far out stuff. Reason is what it is, but I don't know what vst's means for the future. It's a good host. I'm only at 8.3 , but I don't want to sell it. I've got a bunch of killer shit written in it.

That said, again, though vst is cool and all, I think the core host needs WAY more workflow love, which is why I never upgraded to 9. Bounce in place (which is the ONLY workflow enhancement they made) isn't enough for me personally

[ghettosynth]

I'm having a tough time with this thread. I see some people saying some far out stuff. Reason is what it is, but I don't know what vst's means for the future. It's a good host. I'm only at 8.3 , but I don't want to sell it. I've got a bunch of killer shit written in it.

That said, again, though vst is cool and all, I think the core host needs WAY more workflow love, which is why I never upgraded to 9. Bounce in place (which is the ONLY workflow enhancement they made) isn't enough for me personally

I agree, but, and I said this earlier but I'll say it again if it sparks conversation, there is nothing like Blocks for me when it comes to dance music production. At least in the "compositional" stages. So I am really excited to use Blocks transparently with VSTs. I don't like mixing in Reason at all, so I'll still do that in Cubase or Reaper.

As soon as I get access to the beta, I'm going to get back into doing some dance stuff and experimental techno again. For the last two years I've pretty much only been doing ambient/experimental stuff.

[incubus]

Look, I'm into reason. It's a terrific host and it's gonna be shizzle for many people now that it's vst*

RE's are still seriously legit. In all the years I've used it, I've had ONE crash. ONE!!!!!!! And it is a known bug with the GEQ 7 from synapse with a crazy automation issue. Totally reproducible, totally not something I'd ever do musically That's it. So f**king stable. Insane.

*as long as it doesn't go from "never" crashes to crashes often.

[KarmaShaman]

As a user who only uses Reason for music production (I have other DAWS for work related stuff), I will say that the 'Players' are a gimmick. This is what Reason has become. No new instruments, very very lackluster updates (from 7 to 8, 8 to 9), In reality the ONLY thing worthwhile that they have done for years is the new VST support. The 'Players' are for talentless children who want to press a few buttons, go 'ooh' and then tell all their friends they are a musician.

All the fanboys will forever be saying 'Look, Propellerhead listen to us users !'. What a load of BS, VST support has been the #1 most heard request for over a decade. This is about a change in direction from the new owners. And I hope we do see some real changes. With Ernst at the helm, and that useless tool who's massaging the right people to keep his job there (and astoundingly being promoted!) and all the terrible customer service staff hopefully to fade away out of the picture, we might actually see some advancements that will make Reason a contender against some of the more successful DAWs.

All the fanboys will also soon realize that these cries for VST is not all it's cracked up to be. For me, I'm not even interested in using them. The magic comes from the person's creativity, not the number of plugins he has.

Bottom line. Propellerhead have always been an arrogant company with no regard for their users, only for whatever skewed 'vision' the believed. They would then make a manipulative promo video telling people a whole lot of nothing, every user would go 'oh wow', and that would be that. Now at least, we might see some real changes once they do away with the dead wood.

[KarmaShaman]

Look, I'm into reason. It's a terrific host and it's gonna be shizzle for many people now that it's vst*

RE's are still seriously legit. In all the years I've used it, I've had ONE crash. ONE!!!!!!! And it is a known bug with the GEQ 7 from synapse with a crazy automation issue. Totally reproducible, totally not something I'd ever do musically That's it. So f**king stable. Insane.

*as long as it doesn't go from "never" crashes to crashes often.

Reason *is* an excellent host. The only crash I get is a BSOD from that stupid hardware interface piece of crap that Propellerhead released (another short lived commercial 'vision' from an arrogant management team). Apart from that, Reason is ROCK SOLID and I wouldn't change that for the world (hence why I'm not having an orgasm over the VST capability)

[incubus]

Look, I'm into reason. It's a terrific host and it's gonna be shizzle for many people now that it's vst*

RE's are still seriously legit. In all the years I've used it, I've had ONE crash. ONE!!!!!!! And it is a known bug with the GEQ 7 from synapse with a crazy automation issue. Totally reproducible, totally not something I'd ever do musically That's it. So f**king stable. Insane.

*as long as it doesn't go from "never" crashes to crashes often.

Reason *is* an excellent host. The only crash I get is a BSOD from that stupid hardware interface piece of crap that Propellerhead released (another short lived commercial 'vision' from an arrogant management team). Apart from that, Reason is ROCK SOLID and I wouldn't change that for the world (hence why I'm not having an orgasm over the VST capability)

Can I ask (as others will) which hardware POS is that?

[incubus]

As a user who only uses Reason for music production (I have other DAWS for work related stuff), I will say that the 'Players' are a gimmick. This is what Reason has become. No new instruments, very very lackluster updates (from 7 to 8, 8 to 9), In reality the ONLY thing worthwhile that they have done for years is the new VST support. The 'Players' are for talentless children who want to press a few buttons, go 'ooh' and then tell all their friends they are a musician.

All the fanboys will forever be saying 'Look, Propellerhead listen to us users !'. What a load of BS, VST support has been the #1 most heard request for over a decade. This is about a change in direction from the new owners. And I hope we do see some real changes. With Ernst at the helm, and that useless tool who's massaging the right people to keep his job there (and astoundingly being promoted!) and all the terrible customer service staff hopefully to fade away out of the picture, we might actually see some advancements that will make Reason a contender against some of the more successful DAWs.

All the fanboys will also soon realize that these cries for VST is not all it's cracked up to be. For me, I'm not even interested in using them. The magic comes from the person's creativity, not the number of plugins he has.

Bottom line. Propellerhead have always been an arrogant company with no regard for their users, only for whatever skewed 'vision' the believed. They would then make a manipulative promo video telling people a whole lot of nothing, every user would go 'oh wow', and that would be that. Now at least, we might see some real changes once they do away with the dead wood.

You'll forgive me, because I'm not trying to be contradictory, but I don't completely agree about the arrogant aspect. They have had their own agenda, based on not being about the norm.

Again, not against this, but I feel there are bigger fist to fry personally.

[KarmaShaman]

Can I ask (as others will) which hardware POS is that?

Yes of course. What is common knowledge to Reason community is probably unknown to others. Propellerhead released a 2CH audio interface called BALANCE, and the only real thing that made it different to any other A/I is a button that engages a clipping protection for when recording live instruments.

Oh.. that and the price tag of FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS !

Its is one of the best looking and feeling interfaces in its class though, I'll give it that. But its causing all sorts of problems for countless people because it's got some dodgy drivers and Propellerhead are refusing to support it any longer.

https://www.propellerheads.se/products/balance/

[KarmaShaman]

You'll forgive me, because I'm not trying to be contradictory, but I don't completely agree about the arrogant aspect. They have had their own agenda, based on not being about the norm.

Again, not against this, but I feel there are bigger fist to fry personally.

Every single marketing video for the past five years attempts to tell the Reason devoted that Propellerhead have reinvented the wheel. When everyone knows that apart from the rack concept (which was there from the very start), they are still way behind in just about everything they do.

Anyway, as I said, Reason has always been, and I dare say will remain to be my only DAW for my music hobby. I personally feel that the best announcement to come out of their HQ in years has been the recent acquisition, not the technical updates. The sooner they get rid of the staff there the better. It's time for some REAL vision, and even though I won't be using it, the VST integration is the first step towards a bright future.