!Epoch, for the next 4 years

[bungle]

Please no audio it will just complicate things, this looks perfect.

Colin has already stated no audio in previous years, but saying it complicates things ?
You are kidding right ?
Audio files are more complicated than progamming LUA haha.

[starla*]

I mean the workflow will suffer he will need to add so many more things in menus etc and so many more things that can slow it down and bug fixing. You dont have to touch LUA I imagine. I think its better to keep this as a powerful midi sequencer and improve things from there. Trying to do everything is usually not a good thing IMO and you can be much more creative with a sampler anyway.

[zarf]

Colin - would you mind giving us a recap of where you got to regarding host automation please? When !Epoch is hosting vsts, can you automate vst parameters using host automation at all, or only via midi mapping? I'm pondering the consequences of only having the lower resolution control of midi cc available, and wondering how that has ended up for now?

Thanks and keep going - screenshots look cool

[colin@loomer]

can you automate vst parameters using host automation at all, or only via midi mapping?

Yes, you can use the higher resolution VST parameters. As a plug-in, it exposes a number of generic parameters which can be mapped directly to any mappable destination, or routed into the graph for further processing.

[whyterabbyt]

can you automate vst parameters using host automation at all, or only via midi mapping?

Yes, you can use the higher resolution VST parameters. As a plug-in, it exposes a number of generic parameters which can be mapped directly to any mappable destination, or routed into the graph for further processing.

<insert chorus of 'hallelujas' here!>

how many generic parameters, btw? because, double it.

[colin@loomer]

At the moment, it's 128: a lot more than I've ever used, to be honest. Changing it is one of those rare instances where it is just a case of editing a single number, so I'm happy to increase the count if the people demand it so.

[zarf]

Great news, thanks Colin.

You're not making me feel like I want it less, that's for sure.

[bungle]

I mean the workflow will suffer he will need to add so many more things in menus etc and so many more things that can slow it down and bug fixing. You dont have to touch LUA I imagine. I think its better to keep this as a powerful midi sequencer and improve things from there. Trying to do everything is usually not a good thing IMO and you can be much more creative with a sampler anyway.

Lets be clear here, if people like this software and don't want to leave it when recording, "give us audio" will be a very very common request, and it is unlikely that the vast majority of users ever even saw these threads, they will just see it as a missing feature.

[starla*]

Yes of course it will be for sure. That was just my opinion.

Not answering how much before beta is worrying. I still get the feeling this is far from finished.

[starla*]

Sorry for being impatient but I was on the Cirklon waiting list for 15 months and they kept delaying it. Then I heard about this and it sounded better for my needs and it was supposed to be released around christmas 16 months ago.. I didnt know the history. Crazy waiting time for a sequencer

[zarf]

Lets be clear here, if people like this software and don't want to leave it when recording, "give us audio" will be a very very common request, and it is unlikely that the vast majority of users ever even saw these threads, they will just see it as a missing feature.

All the way through this I've been interested in the midi capability and haven't really considered audio. This comment made me stop and think a bit. Thinking out loud...

It works as a host.
Hosting plugins. Which generate audio (sometimes).
With a mixer.

but... my brain not working here maybe... what do you do with that audio, generated by the hosted plugins ?
Is !Epoch - as a host - just intended for live work?
Or can you route the audio out via Rewire or something?

With !Epoch as a plugin, it all makes more sense to me. Presumably we can route audio from any sub-hosted plugins back to the main host? (multi channel or just the mixed output?)

Just curious!

[starla*]

You still have audio out and a mixer so it will work standalone. I think it just means you cant record audio on the tracks or have audio files on them.
But you can still record your performance to an audio pool if I remember right.

[zarf]

You still have audio out and a mixer so it will work standalone. I think it just means you cant record audio on the tracks or have audio files on them.
But you can still record your performance to an audio pool if I remember right.

Thanks starla, your mention of 'audio pool' gave me the term I needed to search back through the threads. I think you're right - cheers

[colin@loomer]

You can load other plug-ins into the mixer and output this via audio outputs to a host (when running as a plug-in), or directly to your output audio device (when running standalone.) You can also capture this audio 'in the box' by recording it to an audio pool, from where you can export it or drag and drop directly to your host and/or filesystem.

CV data can also be written directly to the audio outputs, if you'd like to integrate with CV-controlled hardware.

[atukao]

CV data can also be written directly to the audio outputs, if you'd like to integrate with CV-controlled hardware.

Can this CV data be generated at host sample rate?