Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[keel]

Guys, chill out. Same was in Image-Line. Gol added and then removed stuff what he liked, not what users wanted. Now Gol is gone, IL have change their habbits. They keep asking new features and keep adding them all the time. Expect my request, which I have request for years, and send Scott emails two times. Nothing. No answer. They ignore it all the time. And all I wanted, was to bring back something what was there already, but Gol just decided to remove it and kill my workflow. And no, its not the blocks. But anyway, FL users seems to be much, much happier now. Maybe Prop's will take a change on their habbits too and start finally to listen the users, users who actually use their program. Fixes / option for this automatically returning cursor and space bar stealing would be nice way to show it. Two small thing to fix. Come on, you can do it, right, Anosou..?

Gol is gone ?
Where is he ?

He start to code some game or something like that. Not involved on FL any way atm. Dunno is this move is permanent or temporary, but he's gone now and IL is behaving very differently. More like it should have behave all these years, just Like Prop's should. Listening their customers and users and add those wanted features

[Anosou]

Anosou, please fix that space bar stealing when VST gui is open for next beta or at least in final 9.5. That is real deal breaker, just like that automatically returning playing cursor thing. Two very small things, but real workflow killers. Really. Annoying stuff. These are important. Thanks for listening

Absolutely, we're working on that! And yet another reason not to talk about beta outside of beta, many things are not finished. Post stuff like this in the beta forum which we monitor more closely.

[keel]

Anosou, please fix that space bar stealing when VST gui is open for next beta or at least in final 9.5. That is real deal breaker, just like that automatically returning playing cursor thing. Two very small things, but real workflow killers. Really. Annoying stuff. These are important. Thanks for listening

Absolutely, we're working on that! And yet another reason not to talk about beta outside of beta, many things are not finished. Post stuff like this in the beta forum which we monitor more closely.

I do not have beta I approved it on last friday, still nothing. I am just reading forums. This thread and Reasontalk. But thanks for listening and fix these

[Anosou]

Anosou, please fix that space bar stealing when VST gui is open for next beta or at least in final 9.5. That is real deal breaker, just like that automatically returning playing cursor thing. Two very small things, but real workflow killers. Really. Annoying stuff. These are important. Thanks for listening

Absolutely, we're working on that! And yet another reason not to talk about beta outside of beta, many things are not finished. Post stuff like this in the beta forum which we monitor more closely.

I do not have beta I approved it on last friday, still nothing. I am just reading forums. This thread and Reasontalk. But thanks for listening and fix these

Fair enough! Hopefully you'll get some beta access soon, we let on people in waves when we have new, more stable builds.

[KarmaShaman]

How many times do you wish to tell people about your demands on speaking about beta? I guess its music related, because youre starting to sound like a broken record.

Unlike the RT forum where you have admin and mods on the payroll, Propellerhead should be reminded that they do not control the entire internet.

Good luck in advance for your job hunting, Anosou. Surely you realize that your days are numbered now that daddy Ernst is nothing more than a piece of Swedish furniture to fill a small corner space.

[chimp_spanner]

And people wonder why PUF got shut down...

[KarmaShaman]

Don't ask Ansou. With any luck (for Reason customers) him and the whole team of dead wood will be out the door before version 10.

This will be the biggest Progress Propellerhead will have made for many years. Also one of the most overdue...

What a crybaby you seem to be, and completely out of touch with reality. A bitter little troll, did they throw you out from Reasontalk?

And checking out your post history seems to confirm you have a personal vendetta against PH. In your first post back in 2013 you wrote:

Speaking of fanboys, here's one now.

What exactly is your point? Propellerhead are crooks. Liars, charlatans and crooks. This isn't a recent development, which is why the changing of the guard is going to be so refreshing. Nor is my view of them changed in four years. Are you praising my consistency in evaluating Propellerheads?
If so, thank you. I couldn't have done it of they weren't so reliavly terrible as a business ! But luckily thats all changing... Verdane will sweep out everything that's held development back for all these years and make Reason great again !

[KarmaShaman]

And people wonder why PUF got shut down...

Yes because only biased, one sided views are acceptable, right. Sounds a lot like you would prefer the internet to operate like North Korea's heavily censored online environment.

The PUF was shut down because Propellerhead have never given a damn about customers input.

[EnochLight]

Don't ask Ansou. With any luck (for Reason customers) him and the whole team of dead wood will be out the door before version 10.

This will be the biggest Progress Propellerhead will have made for many years. Also one of the most overdue...

What a crybaby you seem to be, and completely out of touch with reality. A bitter little troll, did they throw you out from Reasontalk? "

Heheh, yeah - on more than one occasion if I remember correctly (which is why I have that troll blocked here).

And people wonder why PUF got shut down...

Eh, things can definitely get a bit heated over here at KVR. You just have to choose who to engage with and block the ones that are clearly out to troll. It's not so bad.

[chimp_spanner]

And people wonder why PUF got shut down...

Yes because only biased, one sided views are acceptable, right. Sounds a lot like you would prefer the internet to operate like North Korea's heavily censored online environment.

The PUF was shut down because Propellerhead have never given a damn about customers input.

That's quite a leap to suggest that I approve of brutal authoritarian dictatorships based purely on one post on a DAW forum.

Just relax dude. You'll live marginally longer!

[chimp_spanner]

Eh, things can definitely get a bit heated over here at KVR. You just have to choose who to engage with and block the ones that are clearly out to troll. It's not so bad.

True true. I don't really come here a lot (9.5 curiosity brought me back). Need to suss out the tone haha. But as you say, best to just pick and choose who to engage with.

*deep breath* I can do this.

[festeringheap]

Agree with eXode, Reason truly is the gold standard when it comes to plugin licence management. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if, on the May 29th release date, that Propellerhead have an ace up their sleeve and host VSTs under the same shop & auth model as REs.

Think about it - why would they wilfully throw away a commission cash cow when everyone can go use VSTs sourced from other sellers? Best of both worlds, they keep VSTs in their RE shop, make commission on them, an manage the authorisation of the licences.

Which would also explain why so much screen time of the 9.5 promo video is dedicated to izotope, xfer, Kontakt. There's no reason those developers would waste their time on doing the video if there wasn't a business arrangement in there.

It may even well be that Propellerheads are vying to be the #1 international online store and licence authorisation system for every VST out there.

You heard it here first, folks.

Well, it's been mentioned before, but, yeah, I can see it happening. Maybe not on release date, but in an 9.x update or 10.x update. Too much traffic happening around official release date time, you don't want any screw ups.

re: business arrangement -- both sides were positively gushing about each others product (did you catch the iZotope giggle at the end?), so something is going down for sure. Not sure who exactly would be hosting the product, could be maybe just Propellerhead deals with the license/auth end of it.
And maybe you could even register a previously bought VST through Propellerhead.

[chimp_spanner]

Agree with eXode, Reason truly is the gold standard when it comes to plugin licence management. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if, on the May 29th release date, that Propellerhead have an ace up their sleeve and host VSTs under the same shop & auth model as REs.

Think about it - why would they wilfully throw away a commission cash cow when everyone can go use VSTs sourced from other sellers? Best of both worlds, they keep VSTs in their RE shop, make commission on them, an manage the authorisation of the licences.

Which would also explain why so much screen time of the 9.5 promo video is dedicated to izotope, xfer, Kontakt. There's no reason those developers would waste their time on doing the video if there wasn't a business arrangement in there.

It may even well be that Propellerheads are vying to be the #1 international online store and licence authorisation system for every VST out there.

You heard it here first, folks.

Well, it's been mentioned before, but, yeah, I can see it happening. Maybe not on release date, but in an 9.x update or 10.x update. Too much traffic happening around official release date time, you don't want any screw ups.

re: business arrangement -- both sides were positively gushing about each others product (did you catch the iZotope giggle at the end?), so something is going down for sure. Not sure who exactly would be hosting the product, could be maybe just Propellerhead deals with the license/auth end of it.
And maybe you could even register a previously bought VST through Propellerhead.

Stop it - you're getting me excited. Installing and managing VST updates is like, my least favourite thing about the whole damn format. If PH could crack (heh) that...oh boy.

[chk071]

Guys, chill out. Same was in Image-Line. Gol added and then removed stuff what he liked, not what users wanted. Now Gol is gone, IL have change their habbits. They keep asking new features and keep adding them all the time. Expect my request, which I have request for years, and send Scott emails two times. Nothing. No answer. They ignore it all the time. And all I wanted, was to bring back something what was there already, but Gol just decided to remove it and kill my workflow. And no, its not the blocks. But anyway, FL users seems to be much, much happier now. Maybe Prop's will take a change on their habbits too and start finally to listen the users, users who actually use their program. Fixes / option for this automatically returning cursor and space bar stealing would be nice way to show it. Two small thing to fix. Come on, you can do it, right, Anosou..?

Gol is gone ?
Where is he ?

He start to code some game or something like that. Not involved on FL any way atm. Dunno is this move is permanent or temporary, but he's gone now and IL is behaving very differently. More like it should have behave all these years, just Like Prop's should. Listening their customers and users and add those wanted features

Again, i can only ask which users Propellerhead should listen to. The ones who think it's a great idea, or the ones who consider it a bad idea? Obviously, they have the plans for VST support in the drawer now for many, many years. And didn't consider it a great idea, until the new investor picked things up. So, it's most likely they didn't "listen to the users", but to the investor.

Again, if you create a software, you gotta have a concept. Propellerhead had a great concept with Reason, until people expected more, more, and more from the software. And it went from a software with a great concept, and something which worked, to a patchwork software, because they listened to users (and obviously business also went down, otherwise the recent course isn't explainable). Now it's a Frankenstein DAW, which always was scary to even open, because i was used to pre-version 5 Reason, which was a very simple, and organized program. Now, i don't even know where to start, because it's so convoluted and bloated. What a horrible thing to listen to every single mouse, instead of just believing in your concept, and when it doesn't work, start off with something new. Welcome to the Twatter and Facef*** generation, where you have to react, and obey to any fart, oops, sorry, meant Tweet people let go. People who have much less of an idea than you about your actual product, if i may add that.

[festeringheap]

re: business arrangement -- both sides were positively gushing about each others product (did you catch the iZotope giggle at the end?), so something is going down for sure. Not sure who exactly would be hosting the product, could be maybe just Propellerhead deals with the license/auth end of it.
And maybe you could even register a previously bought VST through Propellerhead.

Stop it - you're getting me excited. Installing and managing VST updates is like, my least favourite thing about the whole damn format. If PH could crack (heh) that...oh boy.

Well, anything is possible, and they have the infrastructure to do it. I've had a few issues with VST plugin reg/auth that just burn hours sorting through, so it would be nice to have a one-stop process for everything.
Saying that, I've also wasted several hours on Propellerhead/Codemeter snafus. I'd rather be using the damn software I paid for.