Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[crashedthecar]

Sorry if this has been asked before but could find nothing on the official site to this and as big as this thread is now , so I am just asking in here (maybe again):
- will Reason essential have VST-support too ?
- will there be any difference to the full version ?
- support for midi plugs (arps, seq)

Asking more out of general interest, at the moment I think I am fine with the new waveform and all the included new midi stuff, but if it is integrated in essential....

- Yes
- No (aside from the current differences in Essentials)
- No (not in the initial release anyway)

Awesome
To hear

[saturdaysaint]

This place simply does not disappoint. I'll toss some Reason user thoughts into the void:

-as a Reason user who occasionally uses (used?) Komplete via Rewire, I'm delighted and upgrading to 9 has gone from kind of pricey to easily worth the cost. YMMV.

-I was mostly happy to say goodbye to Rewire, but I've been surprised by how much Reason has to add to VSTs. I shouldn't be surprised, but fun/unique effects like Synchronous, Polar, Audiomatic, etc. are a blast to put on fat Form lead. As always, routing and modulation are uniquely fun and easy, so I'm more apt to customize sounds. Players are uniquely fun MIDI effects. There are fine ways of doing much of this in just about any host, but it's a unique and fantastic environment to play/mix in.

-The "finally" jibes are well deserved, but without the developments of the last few years, Reason would have been a far less interesting VST host. The unique effects I listed above mostly didn't exist. There were some significant holes in the included effects (poor amps, weak vocal tuning, no convolution reverb). A rack full of VSTs would almost make the Rack construct not worth having to me. Combinators and multi-Spider routing monstrosities have a ton of creative uses, but they can break PDC, so I don't think that would've been the right differentiator in the VST host market.

-Rack Extensions are still fantastic. For straightforward track/mixing effects, I'll reach for a Rack Extension 9/10 times because seeing your whole effects chain makes mixing much easier. Unless Reason overtakes Protools (lol) REs will always be a niche, but if hosting VSTs makes Reason more popular, I expect it to be good news, not bad, for the RE market.

-I'll mostly leave the Propellerhead Kremlinology to others (hey, if they go out of business, I'll just use Live more), but if this was a desperate, investor-led cash-in, a free point release that won't even get reviewed by music publications was a pretty odd way to do it.

[Touch The Universe]

Is anyone who doesn't have Reason considering it now that it will have vsti?

[bmrzycki]

There were some significant holes in the included effects (poor amps, weak vocal tuning, no convolution reverb).

I think the Softube amps are a bit better than the Line 6 ones, but I think the Kuasa REs sound much better (personal taste of course).
For vocal tuning I prefer the pitch adjuster in the sequencer over Neptune.
Reason got a convolution reverb in Reason 8.3 with RV7000 MkII, or is there something about this update you find lacking? I personally think it greatly helps the sound of the original RV7000 reverb which always sounded cold and digital to me.

[saturdaysaint]

I think the Softube amps are a bit better than the Line 6 ones, but I think the Kuasa REs sound much better (personal taste of course).
For vocal tuning I prefer the pitch adjuster in the sequencer over Neptune.
Reason got a convolution reverb in Reason 8.3 with RV7000 MkII, or is there something about this update you find lacking? I personally think it greatly helps the sound of the original RV7000 reverb which always sounded cold and digital to me.

We're in complete agreement! I was saying that all of those things have been radically improved, which makes Reason 9 a much more attractive/logical place to host VSTs and use for entire projects.

[jsp1979]

Is anyone who doesn't have Reason considering it now that it will have vsti?

Try this thread for some perspectives: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=484140

[bmrzycki]

I think the Softube amps are a bit better than the Line 6 ones, but I think the Kuasa REs sound much better (personal taste of course).
For vocal tuning I prefer the pitch adjuster in the sequencer over Neptune.
Reason got a convolution reverb in Reason 8.3 with RV7000 MkII, or is there something about this update you find lacking? I personally think it greatly helps the sound of the original RV7000 reverb which always sounded cold and digital to me.

We're in complete agreement! I was saying that all of those things have been radically improved, which makes Reason 9 a much more attractive/logical place to host VSTs and use for entire projects.

Ah, I misunderstood you. Yes, I finally decided to upgrade my copy of 6.5 to 9 when they announced VST. These changes helped make my decision, but it ws about 80% VST support that had me interested.

[ghettosynth]

For straightforward track/mixing effects, I'll reach for a Rack Extension 9/10 times because seeing your whole effects chain makes mixing much easier. Unless Reason overtakes Protools (lol) REs will always be a niche, but if hosting VSTs makes Reason more popular, I expect it to be good news, not bad, for the RE market.

I agree with the rest of your post, but I'll probably just put my better VSTs in combinators for this. The far superior U/Is on VSTs even help mitigate this argument, especially with good channel strips like Neutron, which, IMO, has no equal at all in Reason.

[Touch The Universe]

Is anyone who doesn't have Reason considering it now that it will have vsti?

Try this thread for some perspectives: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=484140

Lol, thanks, that's perfect I just don't really have any interest in another daw, whether they finally support vst or not I have my hands full learning studio one for producing (switched from orion and fl studio) and ableton live for performance

[festeringheap]

...if this was a desperate, investor-led cash-in, a free point release that won't even get reviewed by music publications was a pretty odd way to do it.

Yes, I finally decided to upgrade my copy of 6.5 to 9 when they announced VST. These changes helped make my decision, but it ws about 80% VST support that had me interested.

This free point release will be reviewed. The announcement was already covered by many online pubs.
bmrzycki's decision to upgrade, based mostly on the VST announcement, seems to be why all other non-upgraders are seriously considering the move to 9.5. It's worthy of an upgrade if you've invested money in VSTs, and when you include the minimal drip feeding of new features from the other upgrades, that much more.
So, the new investors are cashing in there.
Also, the decision to include VST support in $69 Essentials, instead of using the the cheap version as a lure to the bigger version with VST, will get more on board the Reason train.

Maybe there's a bigger picture here. And I guess we'll find out soon enough, but there could be some convergence between the desktop Reason and mobile and/or an online something (of which I have no clue of what that could be).

[EnochLight]

Maybe there's a bigger picture here. And I guess we'll find out soon enough, but there could be some convergence between the desktop Reason and mobile and/or an online something (of which I have no clue of what that could be).

I'm sure that will happen eventually. They've had a very public search for devs to join their mobile team - not related to Allihoopa (which is a separate entity from them at this point). What they offer right now is downright anemic compared to most other DAW's in the mobile space. The thing that interests me is that RE's are platform agnostic, so porting them to mobile will be as easy as porting Reason to mobile is.

VST's on the other hand...

[ShawnG]

so... now that VST is not a dirty word to propellerhead ears, how about having reason BE a VST? that might sell some units and RE's hmm?

[Rappo Clappo]

Is anyone who doesn't have Reason considering it now that it will have vsti?

If it is implemented well, I am certainly interested. I'd love to fiddle around with those racks

[anxiousmofo]

This makes Reason massively more appealing. I hate proprietary, closed/limited systems, and had ruled Reason out because of the RE's-only bit. Last thing I need is an extra money sink, which is what RE's were/are.

[ghettosynth]

This makes Reason massively more appealing. I hate proprietary, closed/limited systems, and had ruled Reason out because of the RE's-only bit. Last thing I need is an extra money sink, which is what RE's were/are.

Regardless of the reality, that is, I think that many of us don't bother to sell many of the plugins that we don't use, I think that not letting people sell/transfer REs was a particularly bad decision. I've seen a LOT of people comment that they wouldn't buy them because they couldn't sell them.