Next Propellerhead Reason upgrade (9.5) to include VST support

[xbitz]

Why would I buy for example Kilohearts Toolkit RE for 149 euro, when I can buy Kilohearts The Works for 90 pounds that's compatible with all my DAW's?

because the VST version needs to be opened every time when want to change some setting on it
and has very limited routing/modulation possibility(cv8), furthermore if u come from AL, BW, Renoise etc. u gonna definitely miss the stock devices which have easily reachable(controllable)unified UI, and the RE version has http://retouchcontrol.com/pusher/ support so they can be automated directly and instantly with PUSH

... and they are looks quite great in the rack

ps. I'm not sure about the Toolkit these are the free ones

kHs Chorus Free! Rack Extension Enhanced Stereo Effect Kilohearts AB 2016-10-26
kHs Delay Free! Rack Extension Echoing effect Kilohearts AB 2016-10-26
kHs Gain Free! Rack Extension Volume Control Kilohearts AB 2016-10-26
kHs Limiter Free! Rack Extension Volume Threshold Kilohearts AB 2016-10-26
kHs Stereo Free! Rack Extension Width and Panning Kilohearts AB 2016-10-26

I bought only the distortion and compressor, so not sure about need for the whole bundle

[Numanoid]

A question sort of related:

I just reinstalled Reason 6.53 on Windows 10

Is it so that one have to keep the Factory/Orkester refill in the folder, to be able to run it, without being prompted about adding CD/DVD?

https://www.propellerheads.se/support/u ... or-my-dvd/

Those refills take up a bit of space, I would rather prefer to link the start up to a refill that takes up less space on the SSD.

[Rajah]

Will love to see a clip launcher (Alla Ableton) for Reason... any word on this? The Ableton Link implemention is a winner for Reason...

[xbitz]

Will love to see a clip launcher (Alla Ableton) for Reason... any word on this? The Ableton Link implemention is a winner for Reason...

depend on what do u miss, can be made by hand



or from the shop


if miss some kind of sketching tool than blocks can do the same just vertically, it just it more useful than

the AL one

[Numanoid]

Lots of good deals on Rack Extension synths, either on sale at $9 or permanent:

Argonaut
Aurora
Iridium
Lithium
Meteora
MS-34
Nautilius
Orbis
Thermal

[Numanoid]

Using Reason 6.53 one thing I miss (compared to FL Studio) is a "clearly stated" CPU speedometer.

In Reason there is the master section, but can't see that that includes state of CPU usage?

Is this different in later version?

[BUNJA]

A question sort of related:

I just reinstalled Reason 6.53 on Windows 10

Is it so that one have to keep the Factory/Orkester refill in the folder, to be able to run it, without being prompted about adding CD/DVD?

https://www.propellerheads.se/support/u ... or-my-dvd/

Those refills take up a bit of space, I would rather prefer to link the start up to a refill that takes up less space on the SSD.

Yeah they need the factory soundbanks to run there really not that big tbh

[EnochLight]

A question sort of related:

I just reinstalled Reason 6.53 on Windows 10

Is it so that one have to keep the Factory/Orkester refill in the folder, to be able to run it, without being prompted about adding CD/DVD?

https://www.propellerheads.se/support/u ... or-my-dvd/

Those refills take up a bit of space, I would rather prefer to link the start up to a refill that takes up less space on the SSD.

You do need the FSB and Orkerster somewhere in order to run Reason, but you aren't forced to keep it in it's default folder locations. You can put them anywhere you want (such as on a larger drive, networked drive, etc) and create directory aliases for them in the default Program/Reason folder.

[xbitz]

does somebody know how this working

https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... cv-merger/

I think it uses 1ms cv packet shifting but not sure and curious about it, would be nice if devices(Combinators) etc. can be chained together without any serious side-effect (phasing issue)

[bmrzycki]

does somebody know how this working
I think it uses 1ms cv packet shifting but not sure and curious about it, would be nice if devices(Combinators) etc. can be chained together without any serious side-effect (phasing issue)

I just spent some time with it. It doesn't do anything as complex as delay signals. It selects one of 3 options for the gate signal (the A, B ,C on the back right). For the Note data it sums it out the CV port. As long as the gate is active additional notes on Note CV start playing.

This means that you get one velocity (gate) setting for any grouping of notes. It's quasi-poly.

[xbitz]

hmmm



Autotheory also uses the same technique

Pseudo-polyphony
Due to the CV note/gate system provided by Reason, true CV polyphony is not possible within a
rack extension of this type. AutoTheory uses a mechanism that works within this monophonic
CV framework to achieve a “pseudo-polyphonic” effect with instruments driven by the Chord
Generator engine. Although it may seem like all notes are played at exactly the same time
when a chord key is selected (when the Strummer is off), there is in fact a very slight inaudible
delay between each note (around 1 millisecond). This delay is necessary for achieving the
pseudo-polyphony effect. It is also important to note that this pseudo-polyphony mechanism
requires all voices of a polyphonic instrument to be released at the same time. It is not possible
to implement true polyphonic control of Reason instruments via CV at this time.

https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/autotheory/

ps. Korde Sequencer is something brilliant, AL, Bitwig uses MIDI clips, KS uses voice based clips(based chord chopping like Nora) and each of the voice can be routed different device (or to a common one using MoPol)

[kmonkey]

because the VST version needs to be opened every time when want to change some setting on it

Not true. You can add VST in combinator and assign 4 knobs to most used parameters in your performance and after you set up patch you can simply play it over keyboard and midi map parameters to controller.

I think i get it. You are used to tweak devices inside rack without opening them. While for VST you need to open device to tweak it. Well news flash - we VST people worked like that from the dawn of VST. So personally i don't mind it because if i am going to tweak something i for sure want it opened and not sitting tidy and in extremely tiny small rack (just look at Predator GUI in RE and in VST version - i honestly need glasses for RE version not kidding - pain for eyes).

I hope they start support 4k and Retina because it's extremely tiny rack on high resolution (and no i don't want OS scaling and blurry graphic).

[bmrzycki]

Korde Sequencer is something brilliant, AL, Bitwig uses MIDI clips, KS uses voice based clips(based chord chopping like Nora) and each of the voice can be routed different device (or to a common one using MoPol)

It's a great compromise given the limitations of note/gate mono CV routing. What I really hope happens is reason gets a virtual midi cable to support poly note routing. then the players can be promoted to poly utilities and RE devs can start making poly note rack extensions. Anything else is just a hack or a compromise, unfortunately.

[EnochLight]

Korde Sequencer is something brilliant, AL, Bitwig uses MIDI clips, KS uses voice based clips(based chord chopping like Nora) and each of the voice can be routed different device (or to a common one using MoPol)

It's a great compromise given the limitations of note/gate mono CV routing. What I really hope happens is reason gets a virtual midi cable to support poly note routing. then the players can be promoted to poly utilities and RE devs can start making poly note rack extensions. Anything else is just a hack or a compromise, unfortunately.

That's not entirely true. It's possible to do poly note RE's right now using poly note CV. Blamsoft wrote the architecture and it's freely available to other RE devs at no cost.

[bmrzycki]

That's not entirely true. It's possible to do poly note RE's right now using poly note CV. Blamsoft wrote the architecture and it's freely available to other RE devs at no cost.

It's not considered an official protocol by Propellerhead and is supported by none of the built-in devices nor is it supported by any of Propellerhead's rack extensions. It's also not supported by Combinators making it useless unless all routing is completely contained within the Combinator.

I consider it somewhat interesting but in my opinion Props need to be the ones that implement real, supported, poly-note cabling. It's already weird that wiring players is "internal" and their position matters. That's very un-Reason. Things only get more confusing if they add support for VST MIDI effects with this cable-less MIDI model.