Repro-5

[zerocrossing]

The moment you have a Prophet 6 in your clutches and you modulate the filter cutoff and PWM with oscillator 2, you'll change your mind. RePro-1 gets it perfectly,or as perfect as you can expect considering it's not an emulation of the Prophet 6, or even 5 for that matter.

First of all I've purchased P6 approx. half of the year earlier than you and played it allover. So, please, don't make assumptions.

Then it's even sadder that you didn't easily hear the difference. It's pretty clear in a lot of cases. In many cases, not, but I've been saying that since Diva was released. For 90% of sounds, it's perfect.

The case you've brought up was described by Urs during development of RePro-1 as one of the conner-case examples of modeling complications/benefits. It's really funny that it has become your "the analog modeling test".

Why not set the bar high? The sounds I'm talking about aren't that exotic. I use them all the time. I'm not saying any has to emulate $10,000 worth of modular gear.

Jupiter 8 doesn't have filterfm/pwmfm at all (btw, still considered great analog synth), Moog's filter FM is quite close to actual moog. Diva is not emulating P6, P5 or any other Prophet and it has never been intended to. P6, P5, P1 are related to each other somehow.

Irrelevant. I'm not saying the character should be the same. RePro-1 does not sound exactly like the Prophet 6 when doing what I described, but it sounds as good (or very, very close). Who cares what a Jupiter 8 can do? It can do cross mod. Actually, I think Diva wins in the cross mod department, over Roland's plug in. (that steppy control sucks and it seems to have a bit less pleasant sound. Is it closer to a Jupiter 8? No idea, but I prefer my hardware analog or Diva over it) I remember thinking that I liked Diva's crossmod as much as I liked my ATC-X's. Of course, different (Diva has a much wider range) but of equal quality.

But RePro-1 is as resource heavy as Diva is when it's only playing a single note. The quality of what I'm talking about takes CPU cycles.

Are you saying Diva is not CPU hog anymore, really???
Any eclipse today?[/quote]

Yeah, I'd say that Diva isn't really a CPU hog. Not for what it does/is. My machine isn't top of the line (i7 @ 3.4 ghz), but it seemed to do fine with Diva. I have to be careful with RePro-1 or the Jupiter 8 plugin. If I use them, I have to pretty much make the rest of the mix hardware. People told me that jumping up to the latest-greatest CPU wouldn't really net me that big of a performance gain, so here I am.

[nevernamed]

Hello,

I'm looking forward to Repro-5. And thanks for the very very affordable upgrade from Repro-1.
I've been checking regularly for the release of the beta.

It would be more elegant though to get an alert e-mail from U-he.
Will people who bought Repro-1 get an e-mail from U-he when Repro-5 beta is released?

Yes, if you subscribed to our newsletter. Which you can still do if you didn't.

My feeling is that it won't be easy to miss the release, even the public beta one.

Any ideas on when you'd like to release this?

[Urs]

Any ideas on when you'd like to release this?

There are a couple of variables that could move public beta testing from in a week to in a month or so.

[nevernamed]

Any ideas on when you'd like to release this?

There are a couple of variables that could move public beta testing from in a week to in a month or so.

Great thank you for the update.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Any ideas on when you'd like to release this?

There are a couple of variables that could move public beta testing from in a week to in a month or so.

I hate to say it because I really want to play with RePro-5, but if the updated preset browser you guys are close to wrapping up is one of those considerations, it may make more sense to wait. I'm thinking specifically in terms of creating then categorizing presets without needing to edit an XML file. Would be better to start fresh, as opposed to creating a bunch of presets with the beta that will need to get categorized shortly after the fact with your new browser. Not sure if it's easier for you guys from a testing perspective, but I imagine consolidating the releases would have some added benefits there.

[david.beholder]

Why not set the bar high? The sounds I'm talking about aren't that exotic. I use them all the time. I'm not saying any has to emulate $10,000 worth of modular gear.

In terms of Diva bar is already too high - she is being compared with every synth that pretends to be emulating or copying analog gear/behavior. Hard to miss fact.

Who cares what a Jupiter 8 can do?

As they say on gearslutz: zerocrossing is endless soliloquy.

I care, because Diva covers up all my Jupiter, OB etc needs.

Look you're drifiting between "I want emulation in the name of emulation" and "will it blend?". And if you want D sound like P6 just wait for P5 don't blame Diva, don't call it "not enough analog" stop this BS please.

Yeah, I'd say that Diva isn't really a CPU hog. Not for what it does/is. My machine isn't top of the line (i7 @ 3.4 ghz), but it seemed to do fine with Diva.

Do you want me to dig over couple of forums and find your opposite quotes?

People told me that jumping up to the latest-greatest CPU wouldn't really net me that big of a performance gain, so here I am.

Sounds like bad excuse for adult man and father.
My 6 core i7 3930 PC runs enough Diva and Bazille instances for my needs and cost less than my P6.

Also I think that's the only way how to finish tracks. This and spending time on musicmaking instead endless forum chatter.

[SiliconDeath]

I think today cpu doesn't matter too much anymore, and it's more about getting a good dac that can run low latency and has good drivers. As long as it's i7 2600k or newer, should be fine.

[zerocrossing]

I think today cpu doesn't matter too much anymore, and it's more about getting a good dac that can run low latency and has good drivers. As long as it's i7 2600k or newer, should be fine.

I've got an i7 3770 running at 3.4, RME Fireface 400 and david.beholder muted, so I'm good.

[nevernamed]

I think today cpu doesn't matter too much anymore, and it's more about getting a good dac that can run low latency and has good drivers. As long as it's i7 2600k or newer, should be fine.

I've got an i7 3770 running at 3.4, RME Fireface 400 and david.beholder muted, so I'm good.

Fireface 400 is not a great DAC though. This is a great DAC: http://www.cranesong.com/SOLARIS.html

Or something from Burl, maybe the Bomber. Playing the Repro through those is quite the experience.

[david.beholder]

Don't be like zerocrossing bullet list:

• Don't whine endlessly
• Buy faster processor instead of 10x more expensive sound card and enjoy good plugins
• Achieve results, write music

[EvilDragon]

Fireface 400 is not a great DAC though.

It is very very good. And RME's ASIO drivers are the BEST.

[nevernamed]

Fireface 400 is not a great DAC though.

It is very very good. And RME's ASIO drivers are the BEST.

The drivers are excellent yes. The best even like you say. That doesn't make it a great DAC though sorry . I mean I love RME but there are DACs that are just on a whole new level. I started with the FF800 and moved to the Apogee 16x series and then onto the Burl and Mytek. Neither the FF800 nor the Apogee 16x, which is considered by many to be a classic, and it is that, and it's also nicer than the FF800, come even close to the level of sound quality you get with something like the Burl or Mytek or CraneSong Solaris. It's a completely different world. The latter are mastering grade and miles ahead in terms of detail, stereo imaging, transparency etc. If you don't believe that get yourself booked into a studio that has these installed, as well as great monitoring, maybe PMC or Barefoot or Geithain, and then let's talk about your experience after that.

Just the OpAmps alone on these DACs blow away anything FF400 can do. They sound like tubes!!! Dave Hill from CraneSong put out the HEDD a while ago if you'll remember and that was leaps and bounds ahead of anything at the time and probably ushered in a new era in converters. I'm sorry but as good as the FF400 is it doesn't belong in the same sentence as some of these .

For me it's been a revelation. I strapped a mastering grade converter on my laptop and I treat it like an instrument. If you want your Diva to sound even more analogue convert it with something like the aforementioned and record it into pro tools through a Neve 1073.

[klinik]

This "whole new level" for the hi-end DACs is almost inaudible for most people, and you must have a complete hi-end chain for hearing the differences. Also I think it represent a 1% "better" in most cases. I already have Mytek ADCs, Apogee DAs along with RME Aes32 in my mastering rig, connected to PMC speakes. But also I work with a couple of RME UCX card in parallel for 16x in/outs@ 192Khz, usaully connected to my beloved Proacs amplified by Brystom amps. To tell you the thruth, I really prefer the sound of repro-1 (and mot synths when I`m creating sound or just playing for fun) using RME + Proac than the clinical sound of the PMCs that get my mind out of focus when composing. You really don´t need anything better than RME for a wonderful and professional sound!

[EvilDragon]

Agreed with Klinik. I'm not doing any mastering here, I don't need such mastering grade equipment, I don't have monitors (nor do I want to) that cost a kidney a piece. Economies of scale are totally not there for the regular home studio hobbyst, surely you agree with that? Moreover, I have a kid on the way, so instantly I don't care about organ-priced DACs and somesuch crap.

Also RME still rocks (UFX+ here), and countless mixes have been done on RME equipment, so yeah.

[nevernamed]

This "whole new level" for the hi-end DACs is almost inaudible for most people, and you must have a complete hi-end chain for hearing the differences. Also I think it represent a 1% "better" in most cases. I already have Mytek ADCs, Apogee DAs along with RME Aes32 in my mastering rig, connected to PMC speakes. But also I work with a couple of RME UCX card in parallel for 16x in/outs@ 192Khz, usaully connected to my beloved Proacs amplified by Brystom amps. To tell you the thruth, I really prefer the sound of repro-1 (and mot synths when I`m creating sound or just playing for fun) using RME + Proac than the clinical sound of the PMCs that get my mind out of focus when composing. You really don´t need anything better than RME for a wonderful and professional sound!

I"ll have to disagree mate. Respectfully of course.

Mytek ADC's are brilliant but their DACs are even more brilliant. And Apogee don't really make a DAC that is in the same category as aforementioned. They just don't unfortunately. There is a lot more than 1% difference between something like a Mytek DAC and the old RME stuff (and the new Apogee stuff for that matter). And then you'll have to listen to sharpen the ears. But it's there. Listening to the Mytek is like being there in the room. Listening to anything Apogee is, well not. I wouldn't say PMC's sound clinical either. Barefoots sound clinical to me whereas PMCs have a kind of transparency that's also musical. But each to his own. To me RME doesn't belong in the same sentence as your Mytek or the Cranesong or Burl. (As brilliant as RME is) I don't want to be presumptuous about what would audible or inaudible for most people. Ear can be trained and sharpened just like every other part of you.