Repro-5

[Urs]

Urs I exchanged a couple of emails with Viktor a few months back regarding support for Ableton's .adg format which Push and Push 2 use for browsing presets. Any chance of .adg being supported with Repro-5's release in addition to NI's .nks file format?

I don't know anything about that, but I'm sure it's on someone's radar if you spoke to Viktor. I actually did see a Push moving around offices, not sure if it is related.

[bcm70]

No worries. Cheers.

[NNevez]

Off-topic:

Urs, have you ever considered doing an Andromeda A6? That would be fantastic also!

[spunkmuffin]

I'm almost as exited to see the new text search as to try Repro-5 itself!

[ghettosynth]

Off-topic:

Urs, have you ever considered doing an Andromeda A6? That would be fantastic also!

Obviously I can't speak for Urs, but, one of the challenges with doing a proper emulation of the A6 is the custom designed ASIC that contains all of the voice circuitry. I'm not sure how much detail there is of that and it might be challenging to treat it as a black box. The A6 has multiple filter models that are based off of classic circuits, but, emulation purists would most likely not be happy with a design that just used the classic models (moog and Oberheim IIRC).

[Urs]

Off-topic:

Urs, have you ever considered doing an Andromeda A6? That would be fantastic also!

Sure, we've considered a lot... pretty much all of those 50+ analogue synths we have. But you know... Repro-1 was one year for the whole team, Repro-5 is going to be almost another year for half the team.

It's much faster doing original stuff where no-one has to pull his hair out over schematics.

[Urs]

I'm almost as exited to see the new text search as to try Repro-5 itself!

I just tried it for the first time. It needs some polishing, but I think it is pretty spectacular. You can search for "Vintage* #mono" and you'll get all "mono" tagged presets with "Vintage" in the name or the description. A right-click lets you save this to a Smart Folder which automatically keeps up-to-date, say, when you install a new soundset.

Also, we have multiple colours for favourites (but we kept it to one at a time). Each colour has its own folder. So yep, Favourites Folders are finally coming as well.

[Elektronisch]

Off-topic:

Urs, have you ever considered doing an Andromeda A6? That would be fantastic also!

Obviously I can't speak for Urs, but, one of the challenges with doing a proper emulation of the A6 is the custom designed ASIC that contains all of the voice circuitry. I'm not sure how much detail there is of that and it might be challenging to treat it as a black box. The A6 has multiple filter models that are based off of classic circuits, but, emulation purists would most likely not be happy with a design that just used the classic models (moog and Oberheim IIRC).

i think its possible to get some similar sounds with U-He Diva. Tho i personaly never used Andromeda but from sound demos it sounds just amazing on its own. Would be cool to see real emulation but its not something essential imo

[recursive one]

Off-topic:

Urs, have you ever considered doing an Andromeda A6? That would be fantastic also!

When I saw the announcement of the IK Multimedia rompler, the same thing came to my mind: "I wish someone made a proper Andromeda emulation and who could make it better than Urs".

[nevernamed]

Secondly objective realities are not an empirical fact. Not in physics nor in philosophy. In fact in formal logic the idea doesn't fare well at all and in physics, well read about how phenomena behave in quantum experiments if you're interested to learn why this proposition is highly problematic.

LOL!

We aren't talking about quantum physics, we're talking about separating your bias from your claims.

And by the way there is no bias...

Look, as soon as you claim that "there is no bias", you're simply wrong. There is ALWAYS bias and trying to bring in formality that you don't actually understand just tightens the noose.

Every time I test something I recognize that the potential magnitude of bias may be clouding the issue. I go out of my way to try to minimize this, if you take nothing else away from this conversation you should at least learn that. People prefer the sound of synths with wooden end cheeks, more prestigious names, and more expensive knobs. You will actually HEAR differences, that is the power of bias.

The bottom line is that you don't actually have any evidence or data that quantifies the magnitude differences that you claim exist. I'm not even talking about your blind tests, I don't think that you have the qualifications to run them successfully. You can't even point to ANY tests that quantify the difference in some meaningful way with respect to human perception. Hence, the reasonable conclusion is that, as others agree, that any differences are at best subtle, and more likely simply a matter of taste in small degrees.

This is way off topic at this point. We're talking about a synth. You made some claims that you can't back up and the general consensus here is that you're overstating your case. I would suggest that you bring this back around to Repro and out of the domain of your own perception. If it makes you happy to play your soft synth through an expensive DAC, good for you. However, any suggestion that it makes a huge difference that other people will notice is an objective claim that you can't back up. You have yet to bring up any even slightly reasonable technical justification for this, and I think that's because, for whatever reasons, you can't.

No actually I really don't. I don't have to provide any sort of evidence at all. And you're the only one that keeps talking about objectivity. The original statement was the two are night and day. That statement is attributed to myself and it ends there. You're the one that's injected "objective" at the end of that. And they are night and day by the way. And of course I could back it up but not via this forum (technically impossible due to the nature of the forum). Like any piece of information on here you'll have to verify it for yourself. If you've resigned yourself to agree on this alleged sameness because of a whitepaper and some testing/listening someone else has done for you that's a limitation you've placed on yourself. Rather than have others do my listening I prefer to do it myself. If the differences were negligible though no studio in the world would spend more than FF400 money on this problem. And yet they do! Maybe they are stupid though right? You should ring them and alert them.

[pdxindy]

Off-topic:

Urs, have you ever considered doing an Andromeda A6? That would be fantastic also!

Sure, we've considered a lot... pretty much all of those 50+ analogue synths we have. But you know... Repro-1 was one year for the whole team, Repro-5 is going to be almost another year for half the team.

It's much faster doing original stuff where no-one has to pull his hair out over schematics.

I would rather have original new synths at a faster development rate than more emulations.

[AnX]

Is there such a thing as an 'original' synth these days?

Emulations prob sell way more, gotta pay the bills...

[pdxindy]

Is there such a thing as an 'original' synth these days?

Yes...

[NNevez]

Off-topic:

Urs, have you ever considered doing an Andromeda A6? That would be fantastic also!

Sure, we've considered a lot... pretty much all of those 50+ analogue synths we have. But you know... Repro-1 was one year for the whole team, Repro-5 is going to be almost another year for half the team.

It's much faster doing original stuff where no-one has to pull his hair out over schematics.

I would rather have original new synths at a faster development rate than more emulations.

Sure, i also rather have original new synths. Repro-1 and Monark are the only emulations that i have. But since some emulations have been done by U-He and some have been talked about (The Cat), out of all the synths out there i think that the Andromeda is something that is really worth doing. Great synth with a lot of features and has not been done yet, i think.

Having said that, this was just an off-topic question.
Looking forward to Repro-5 and specially Zebra 3!

[zerocrossing]

Is there such a thing as an 'original' synth these days?

Yes...

Nothing's 100% original, of course. We've got a long history of making instruments. Electronic instruments, less so, but we've found motifs (pun intended) that we like, so you'll see them over and over again. So, a Prophet 5 emulation might not seem original at first glance, but Urs already showed the per voice distortion thing that puts it in totally new territory. Now, take those filters, put them in some future version of Zebra, and you're even further away from a classic. I'd argue that it's an original synth that draws on classic analog polysynth inspiration.

I've been playing a lot with ArcSyn lately. I really love it. It's LFO sequencer is unlike anything I've ever seen, but I could probably look at almost every other feature and point out a synth that has it. (It's quite close to the hardware NF-1 in many ways) I still consider it very original though, as the way all the functions work together becomes more than just a list of features.

I imagine a 100% original synth would probably suck, or be of very limited use.