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gckilla · Post by **gckilla** » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:56 pm

Gang - can you help a brother out?

What are the merits of Push 2 over Push for bitwig? Used Push 1 is less than half of a Push 2 - hence my hesitation.

Cheers,

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gckilla · Post by **gckilla** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:43 am

I should also mention that I have a nektar lx49 as well. So now I'm thinking that I just need a clip launcher like a novation mini or apc mini

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:25 pm

Push 2 has better pads for playing. If you are mostly doing clip launching and other tasks besides playing, I'd just get a Push 1.

gckilla · Post by **gckilla** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:10 pm

many thanks!

lunardigs · Post by **lunardigs** » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:02 pm

Push 2, imo, has a better knob and button layout. The feel of the old knobs vs. the new is virtually the same. Though, the new buttons are very different! Honestly, I can't say I really like the old style or the new; I don't think either button style is ideal. Yet, again, I think Push 2 may (and I say that lightly) have a leg up here.

The biggest departure, from the user standpoint is the new color screen. It may not seem like a big deal, yet I'd have to say it really enhances the ease of use (having owned 1 and now 2). The Push 1 screen is functional, yet it can still be confusing. Adding color indications goes a long way and Moßgraber's script implements the new screen abilities well.

Other things: Push 2 is slightly larger than Push 1 (14.88" x 11.96" vs. 14.5" x 11.54"). Yet, Push 2 is slightly lighter than Push 1 (6 lbs vs. 6.6 lbs). Push 1 was built very well, but I can tell Push 2 has better tolerances. For instance, Push 1 would creak (from flex) if I pressed the pads down with a lot of pressure (for aftertouch, and btw, both units have a wide pressure sensitivity range). Push 2, however seems to be more ridged and does not exhibit a 'creaky-flex sound' that I can tell. This could change with time however.

One additional thing to note is the power requirements are different. Push 1 was entirely usable with USB bus power. Push 2, however, requires a lot more power to light up fully. The good news is that Push 2 comes with a power adapter in the box (12V DC 1.25A). This is not to say Push 2 isn't usable with USB alone. Rather, the LEDs behind most of the function buttons are turned off in this mode. This is perhaps my biggest complaint about the unit. Although, 5V/0.5A USB power is only so adequate and we're talking like ~80 LED buttons here, plus a high-resolution RGB screen.

askewd · Post by **askewd** » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:41 am

For me the deciding factor was that Moss who programs the scripts for bitwig uses a Push2 himself in his performances, so i figured that it may be the best long term investment that will be supported best. I don't think you'll be dissapointed by the Push2 especially now Moss has really started taking the script to new level.

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gckilla · Post by **gckilla** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:40 pm

many thanks for the great answers. How severe are the lighting limitations with push 2 on usb only?

craigtumps · Post by **craigtumps** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:43 pm

gckilla wrote:many thanks for the great answers. How severe are the lighting limitations with push 2 on usb only?

I dont think you can use Push2 with USB only, must be used with the plug.

Push1 you can use usb but its horrible, you can barely see the writing on the buttons. Defo need a plug.

lunardigs · Post by **lunardigs** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:24 pm

Yeah, it's true. The USB illumination on Push 1 is okay in a dark environment, though not great. Meanwhile, Push 2 doesn't even try to light it's function buttons on USB power--except for the active mode button, strangely. Push 2 however does illuminate it's screen quite nicely on bus power, not fully, but perfectly usable indoors and out.

Btw, if it's not clear from what I just said, Push 2 will indeed work on USB power alone.

On another note, Push 2 vs. 1 has brighter and more evenly lit pads. This is regardless of power source.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:35 pm

craigtumps wrote:
gckilla wrote:many thanks for the great answers. How severe are the lighting limitations with push 2 on usb only?
I dont think you can use Push2 with USB only, must be used with the plug.

Push1 you can use usb but its horrible, you can barely see the writing on the buttons. Defo need a plug.

I use my Push 1 just via USB most of the time... works fine for me

Push 2 is definitely a refined and improved version, but Push 1 is a great deal for the price and I would buy Push 1 over 2 given the price. It is also not my main means of note input.

lunardigs · Post by **lunardigs** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:15 pm

I kinda wish I kept my Push 1 instead of selling it.

They actually travel petty good. I've been on a train with it, airport, etc.

I think one of my favorite features, for creativity is the "Scales" mode. You can also change the pads from that screen to be in either 4ths or 3rds.

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