New Logic Drummers & Loops

[penguinfromdeep]

I'm very interested in understanding this. Can you specify how the prior design strained your eyes? What about the Logic 9.x design? Was it less strain for you? The problem might be in Logic X's dark theme, not in the bevels of GUI objects.

I can work longer periods of time before feeling 'eye fatigue' to try to explain it better. Maybe some people don't feel it as much but my eyes are bit sensitive. But you're right, it is probably also the darker theme. I happen to like also Ableton Live's default UI that is very simple and flat. I don't think it is only a fashion thing as you guys say, these things are researched a lot but I am sure you are aware of that .. But of course they (Apple) want to make their UIs unified across the board.

I didn't use Logic 9.x much, I was using (and still use) Ableton Live besides now Logic X.

[h2ogun99]

This is such a subjective discussion. There are people that swear by Saw Studio. There are themes for Reaper that I could never work with, yet some love it. Sarcasm aside, I'm enjoying the hell out of Logic's UI. I'm 46 with 3x readers on as I type this. FabFilter knocks it out of the park with it's UI - what about Valhalla? Are these trends? Of course, 98% of what's being designed are influenced by trends. Go to Dribbble dot com - Trends abound. Apples Aqua was wonderful (at the time), shiny bubble icons and buttons with reflections. Everyone had shiny bubble icons with refections. We loved it! Then.... things changed.... people hated it, people loved it....then..... things changed....people hated it, people loved it....then....things changed... x10

Ugghhh the 80's, Oh wait... Stranger Things.... Oh the 80's!!!

I hate anything other then white, black or silver cars. They sell scores of blue and burgundy cars. Personal taste.

None of this is right or wrong. None of us are right or wrong.

It is what it is.

L

[pdxindy]

IMNSHO, this is just a trend, and, as happen with so many trends, there are people adhering exactly because of that, without any really rational reason. In a couple of years, the trend will change (again) and the exact same people that defend now flat will be defending whatever else will be trendy then

That's the logic of the fashion business

I can only speak for myself. I liked Ableton Live's flat GUI right from the first. I find it easy on the eyes for long hours of staring at the screen. Flat design looks less flashy and exciting, but I think it works well for extended use because of it.

[EdgarRothermich]

When do people realize that there is no point in arguing about taste. It is highly subjective. Some people like flat design, some hate it. Fact is that it is Apple's direction, it is here to stay and Logic has to follow. End of story.
If the look in Logic gets darker, people compla that it is too dark, if it is getting lighter, then people complain that it is too bright. The good news, you will get used to over time, regardless how flat, how dark, or how bright

However, where it is necessary to use your energy is to argue over functionality, when design choices get in the way of functionality ("form over function"). This is the area where the Logi developers can make their own decision inside the flat design restrictions.

For example, if in previous versions the Automation on/off button was blue the Show/Hide Automation button was yellow and the Flex Button was purple and now all of them are blue, that is a big problem and big step back in functionality. Now, when you have a big (busy) Project, all the buttons look the same and you have to actively look (concentrate) at the individual buttons. Before, you would see at a glance, based on the color code, what the status of those buttons were.

[h2ogun99]

When do people realize that there is no point in arguing about taste. It is highly subjective. Some people like flat design, some hate it. Fact is that it is Apple's direction, it is here to stay and Logic has to follow. End of story.
If the look in Logic gets darker, people compla that it is too dark, if it is getting lighter, then people complain that it is too bright. The good news, you will get used to over time, regardless how flat, how dark, or how bright

However, where it is necessary to use your energy is to argue over functionality, when design choices get in the way of functionality ("form over function"). This is the area where the Logi developers can make their own decision inside the flat design restrictions.

For example, if in previous versions the Automation on/off button was blue the Show/Hide Automation button was yellow and the Flex Button was purple and now all of them are blue, that is a big problem and big step back in functionality. Now, when you have a big (busy) Project, all the buttons look the same and you have to actively look (concentrate) at the individual buttons. Before, you would see at a glance, based on the color code, what the status of those buttons were.

Those are very good points. Thank you!

L

[pdxindy]

When do people realize that there is no point in arguing about taste. It is highly subjective. Some people like flat design, some hate it. Fact is that it is Apple's direction, it is here to stay and Logic has to follow. End of story.
If the look in Logic gets darker, people compla that it is too dark, if it is getting lighter, then people complain that it is too bright. The good news, you will get used to over time, regardless how flat, how dark, or how bright

The good news is that you can install different themes including ones that look like the previous less flat GUI...

[EdgarRothermich]

The good news is that you can install different themes including ones that look like the previous less flat GUI...

You are right, there are some amazing looking skins out there.

I customized my Logic GUI back in the Logic9 days, but gave up on it. At some point you have to make a decision if you want to spend your time constantly tweaking the look of Logic or better use your time and Logic to actually create music.
The Logic update cycle is not bad recently and every time it might break your mod and you have to tweak it again, wasting more time on the paint job then on the composing job.

[fmr]

The good news is that you can install different themes including ones that look like the previous less flat GUI...

You are right, there are some amazing looking skins out there.

I customized my Logic GUI back in the Logic9 days, but gave up on it. At some point you have to make a decision if you want to spend your time constantly tweaking the look of Logic or better use your time and Logic to actually create music.
The Logic update cycle is not bad recently and every time it might break your mod and you have to tweak it again, wasting more time on the paint job then on the composing job.

Because the "skinning" in Logic is a hack, not a supported feature, like it happens in other hosts, like Digital Performer and Reaper (for example). I have nothing against pleasing those that like a flat(ter) GUI, but give users the choice, then.

[medienhexer]

So... is anybody going to talk about the new drummers & loops?

I don't install GB anymore but since they're going to be in the next Logic update, I'm interested in hearing what people think.

[pdxindy]

The good news is that you can install different themes including ones that look like the previous less flat GUI...

You are right, there are some amazing looking skins out there.

I customized my Logic GUI back in the Logic9 days, but gave up on it. At some point you have to make a decision if you want to spend your time constantly tweaking the look of Logic or better use your time and Logic to actually create music.
The Logic update cycle is not bad recently and every time it might break your mod and you have to tweak it again, wasting more time on the paint job then on the composing job.

There is no need to spend time tweaking themes... leave that to peeps who make the themes. Just install and use it. And worst case scenario if a Logic update breaks the theme, use the default Logic theme until the custom theme is fixed. It's easy.

Personally, I don't care whether a GUI is flat or it isn't. I find both easily usable and can be productive with either as long as they are clean and sharp. But if someone does not like the flat GUI, there is no problem using custom ones.

[Jace-BeOS]

When do people realize that there is no point in arguing about taste.

i'm arguing about taste, yes, because i think flat design is ugly. However, i am also discussing objective design facets involved in making designs that the majority of human beings can use with the least discomfort. There's a difference. Yes, people have different tastes, and they also have different physical needs. Some people really need light colored interfaces, but i really don't care for them much, aesthetically. As i get older, though, the middle ground tones seems to be preferred to the darker or lighter stuff. Flat design tends to have low contrast between elements, causing strain on many people's eyes, me being one of those, apparently.

Ideally, Apple should have skinning as a real feature (not a hack) and their base GUI skin should be a lot less extreme, to accommodate the most people. Right now, it's too extreme in terms of flatness and contrasts (it mixes extremely low-contrast elements with high-contrast elements, the high-contrast coming from bright colors, which do not necessarily translate to more comfort or better seeing for people with color perception issues).

[h2ogun99]

Ideally, Apple should have skinning as a real feature (not a hack)

Completely agree. It would be nice to easily tinker under the hood and dial things in to taste.

L

[pdxindy]

and their base GUI skin should be a lot less extreme

Sorry, but that is a bit excessive. The Logic GUI is not extreme. Sure, I can also think of a few details that could be a bit better, but it is a solid and effective GUI...

[jacqueslacouth]

So... is anybody going to talk about the new drummers & loops?

I don't install GB anymore but since they're going to be in the next Logic update, I'm interested in hearing what people think.

what are you thinking???

Bringing the discussion on topic????

OnKVR?????

Are you Maaaaaaad??????

[h2ogun99]

Ok ok - back on topic...

I've had great results with iZotope Neutron. So far, so good.

L