Bitwig

Enrize · Post by **Enrize** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:39 am

mgawwww wrote:I think since 2.0 Bitwig is sucking more GPU even with few devices on. My iMac's running hot and the fans are on as if I were gaming..CPU usage seems normal thou.

(iMac 27" Mid 2011 - 3.1GHz i5, 24GB Ram, AMD Radeon 6970M, SSD - 10.11.6.)

Correct. Its because of the new built-in spectrum analyzers in native devices like reverb, eqs, filter etc...Try collapse all the devices with analyzers and you'll see how much faster your GUI will be.

And please report this behaviour to official support.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:25 am

Enrize wrote:
mgawwww wrote:I think since 2.0 Bitwig is sucking more GPU even with few devices on. My iMac's running hot and the fans are on as if I were gaming..CPU usage seems normal thou.

(iMac 27" Mid 2011 - 3.1GHz i5, 24GB Ram, AMD Radeon 6970M, SSD - 10.11.6.)
Correct. Its because of the new built-in spectrum analyzers in native devices like reverb, eqs, filter etc...Try collapse all the devices with analyzers and you'll see how much faster your GUI will be.

And please report this behaviour to official support.

Not only that, but I think all of them run at 60fps, while - I think - in Live they're at 30fps. I don't have any hard proof for that, but it becomes immediately apparent switching from one to the other.

Wish there was some global setting to force refresh rate for the GUI and devices.

kaspy003 · Post by **kaspy003** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:07 pm

Sorry, i dont have any lag problem with large project.
Mac OsX multiple machines

sovietpop · Post by **sovietpop** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:04 pm

I dont have any lag on my OSX Imac .. weird.
In fact i think the GUI from Bitwig is super responsive, so much more than Logic Audio for exemple.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:09 pm

sovietpop wrote:I dont have any lag on my OSX Imac .. weird.
In fact i think the GUI from Bitwig is super responsive, so much more than Logic Audio for exemple.

It's odd how some people experience it and others don't... but of course if everyone did it would already be fixed!

Raffi · Post by **Raffi** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:51 am

pdxindy wrote:
sovietpop wrote:I dont have any lag on my OSX Imac .. weird.
In fact i think the GUI from Bitwig is super responsive, so much more than Logic Audio for exemple.
It's odd how some people experience it and others don't... but of course if everyone did it would already be fixed!

Just had to jump in here pdxindy, that's not really the case. The important key factor is if you're using a Retina screen or not. At least it has been for me, and I've been trying things like lowering resolutions, collapsing devices for 2 years now. They all help a bit, but still at one point you're always hitting the slow mud again.

In early 2015, I switched from a standard resolution mac to the new 5k Retina iMac and directly noticed a big framerate drop. Before I really had no problems. Then they added the compressor displays, which made things considerably slower when your project started to get bigger.
After numerous times of reporting, they know it's a problem but started blaming the iMac's GPU. Even after telling them that apps like Ableton and Logic and Studio One run butter smooth on Retina resolution.

Man, was I shocked to see all the analyzers introduced in V2 with crazy high 60 fps, in this situation this decision was like the horror nightmare for me, oh sure it looks cool.

So as expected V2 is now even way worse. I've asked them a couple of months ago to at least consider a simple feature to turn analyzers of or with custom lower FPS, gave them useful examples and such, but the answer in short was an ignorant no, with the blame on Apple's choice of GPU.

In a way it was really frustrating and harsh to read, as they're actually saying that's your issue because of choosing an 5k iMac and not ours, good luck. It made me realize that with this approach to these issues, it's probably best to go back to Ableton.

Music production is my day job and for me all the nifty features Bitwig offers are simple worthless when you're working through mud and cannot get up to speed. No time for that really.

Such a shame for such a great innovative DAW in general.

Netsu · Post by **Netsu** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:06 am

Good to know Raffi, I'm using Bitwig 1 on a retina macbook, and there is definitely some slowdown, especially when scrolling horizontally through tracks. If it only gets worse with Bitwig 2 then I'll wait with the upgrade until I switch laptops :c

Bathrobe · Post by **Bathrobe** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:16 am

Ah maybe that is why.
I got a nvidia gpu in my Macbook Pro late 2013 and everything is snappy.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:28 am

Raffi wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
sovietpop wrote:I dont have any lag on my OSX Imac .. weird.
In fact i think the GUI from Bitwig is super responsive, so much more than Logic Audio for exemple.
It's odd how some people experience it and others don't... but of course if everyone did it would already be fixed!
Just had to jump in here pdxindy, that's not really the case. The important key factor is if you're using a Retina screen or not. At least it has been for me, and I've been trying things like lowering resolutions, collapsing devices for 2 years now. They all help a bit, but still at one point you're always hitting the slow mud again.

At what point do you see a slow down? I'm on a retina Mac

cajmere · Post by **cajmere** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:45 pm

Got sometimes to same problems that the GUI slows down. I'm on linux with dual monitor setup(2x full hd). Can confirm that minimizing devices with spectrum analysers helps. My GPU is not a workhorse, it's a passive cooled gpu card. Nvidia GT 730. Bought it last year because my 6-8 year old passive radeon card didn't support opengl > 2.2

. Seems like i will have to buy a card that's has more power

.

Never tought i would have needed a card with more power for a daw.

Enrize · Post by **Enrize** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:20 am

cajmere wrote:Got sometimes to same problems that the GUI slows down. I'm on linux with dual monitor setup(2x full hd). Can confirm that minimizing devices with spectrum analysers helps. My GPU is not a workhorse, it's a passive cooled gpu card. Nvidia GT 730. Bought it last year because my 6-8 year old passive radeon card didn't support opengl > 2.2 . Seems like i will have to buy a card that's has more power .

Never tought i would have needed a card with more power for a daw.

Don't be so fast. I have GeForce 780Ti and i still have poor GUI performance. It seems GPU is not involved in GUI processing but CPU instead, which also could explain audio engine spikes during zoom or scroll.

sisarii · Post by **sisarii** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:50 pm

My workstation has a Titan X. Gui still lags. Don't waste money on a gpu per the bitwig Dev recommendation. They are obviously trolling

sisarii · Post by **sisarii** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:17 pm

dbl post..

psydave · Post by **psydave** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:48 pm

I'm runnning Bitwig on OS X Sierra, Windows7 and Linux Mint and have no lags. Maybe your hardware is outdated.

spacebar2012 · Post by **spacebar2012** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:14 pm

Not sure about OSX, but, on my fairly new Windows 10 machine, there's absolutely no lag or sluggishness whatsoever in v2.1. I have a lowly GT730 that runs one monitor and integrated graphics (i7 6700) runs the other.
I used to set the dedicated GPU to run all graphics in the past, but then I switched it back to "let the application decide". That fixed my Studio One 3 GUI lag (it used to lag like crazy while scrolling on heavy/big projects with upwards of 40 tracks).

Bitwig though, I never used it beyond the first few months of v1, until now (few days ago). Although my current project is almost touching 30 tracks, it still hasn't got to the usual project sizes I deal with. But, I see no signs of any GUI lag at all as of now.

Bitwig

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Will bitwig ever be SNAPPY and fast?